coach daddy

Thanks for making my point. We now accept "good" losses. That's not who we used to be. Yes I also realize the "ship" has sailed. That wasn't the point of the most recent conversation. If you read past posts before sticking your fat nose into the discussion you'd realize we had something else going on here. By the way, have you beaten Northern Iowa yet?

I don't think we're playing Mayville in football next year. Have you beaten Northern Iowa yet in DI football? We did when we were still DII. This was a great conversation til your dumb ass showed up.

I never said we should move down to win championships; we were competing for championships at the DII level. Believe me, I know there are flaws with DII athletics, too many small schools making the rules, I get it. My point is/was that it is still about the universities in the North and South Dakota needing each other. We had that and it worked,now we don't and, in my opinion, it isn't working. By the way, I never thought I'd see an NDSU "happy" with losing by 15 to anyone. If Kansas beats your football team next fall by 15, will you be happy?

First, we throw softball out of the equation right away, volleyball too. This move wasn't made for either of those programs. You should be proud of their success' but 95% of the supporters aren't attending either contests. My biggest fear in this whole thing, and I'm sure its my age showing here, is that we now have a chance to win championships in 1 sport, football. The only reason for that is that the NCAA split football into 2 categories. If there was no FCS in DI football, neither of us would be talking about championships in that sport either. Now, maybe down the road, the big conferences will get tired of sharing the basketball revenue with the small conferences and the NCAA will divide basketball into 2 divisions like football; who knows. I just remember the days when the we hosted regional tournaments at UND and played for national titles in all sports, not just hockey. Those were great times. We had lots of local athletes play in all sports at UND and NDSU, now those days are about gone, both our basketball teams at UND can attest to that right now. Like I said, its probably me showing my age, but it used to be about championships and playing for titles. Now we dream about teams like NDSU had last year. Making the tournament, drawing Kansas and losing by 15. I guess the definition of success has changed.

So was DII a joke when NDSU won their football and Womens BBall titles? Was it a joke when UND won its football title and womens bball titles, or when Coach Glass took the Sioux to consecutive Elite 8's in the early 90's? We were playing each other, the So. Dak. schools and the Minnesota schools who seemed to be pretty competitive then too. Mankato's women won the DII title in bball last year, Duluth won a football title also. Now we are all trying to get into the same conference to play each other again. I just don't get it. You say DII sucks but NDSU has had one basketball team make the dance, SDSU has had one womens team make the dance and their football team made the tourney (they gave up 64 pts. but thats another post). So now what? No opportunity for titles, maybe a chance to play in the tournament(s) every 5-10 years, if a great recruiting class comes along but other than that, we are all just satisfied being average, or at least in UND's case right now, praying for average in bball. I just don't get it.

Then why did we all leave the NCC? We all need each other now but we played against each other in the best DII conference in the nation; why are we all DI now? I need a refresher.

Up until last night, I thought Warmack was really a horse. This year though, with the players that EGF graduated, she is really going to have her work cut out for her. Her teammates don't shoot the 3 this year like they did last year and it is way easier to help into the post on her. Frydenlund is a good athlete but really struggles to stand and shoot; her range is 15 feet. The other perimeter players are young and teams are going to force them to make shots before they let Warmack get anything inside; they'll see lots of zone!! Evers, apparently, is hurt and therefore it is hard to say how good she is right now. I don't like the fact that, at 6'3, she takes/gets 6 or 7 shots a game. Because she is hurt, her conditioning and ability to stay on the floor for extended minutes makes it hard to judge how talented she is. She played Warmack very well last night (Warmack played her very well too). It was a push last night but a year ago, Warmack was better, by alot. I haven't seen Farroh yet this year but I know she is a great worker and rebounder. 29 rebounds in 1 game is a little hard to believe but you can't dispute back to back games of 29 and 31 pts!! It has been my opinion for a couple years that, if I had to rank them, I'd go Warmack, Farroh, and Evers. After last night, I'm not sure I'd move any of them but I'd certainly put them all way closer to each other. Instead of 1, 2, and 3,..........I'd probably go 1, 1A, and 2!!

Evers made 2 shots the whole night. Probably only took 6, maybe 7. She had 4 points and did a good job on Warmack. The points Warmack got came when Evers was sitting. She only plays about 4 minutes at a time, not sure why.

you are absolutely 100% correct. My bad.

Don't see anyway this game stays close. NIU guards way to hard for us to start making shots now. Maybe next game but not against NIU.

Agreed. He'll do a great job. Excellent worker and knows the area. He'll find players.

I don't leave messages on hockey board, no hockey comments on bball board!!!

I would say, yes. No conference affiliation on the horizon, no playoff scenario that can be achieved. Like Coach Dags says, take wins/losses out of the equation, Coach Jones is working hard and the other stuff very well. Kids aren't in trouble in the community, no ones flunking out of school, etc. There will come a time when he has to put a MUCH better team on the floor, just not sure its now and don't think a real high caliber coach would be that interested in UND when you consider the hill we are trying to climb for at least a couple more years.

Valid opinion. Can't argue

Somewhere between fgosioux and sioux2013 there has to be a happy medium. While its obvious that this years edition of UND bball isn't very good, I don't think I want anyone fired at the end of the year. Coach Jones deserves to see 5 years, especially when nothing is resolved regarding the nickname or a conference. I also do not believe that this team is rich in talent and they'll all be waaaaaaaaay better in a couple years. They are who they are but we didn't win many recruiting battles to land this group of guys. If we are a lot better in 2 or 3 years its because we've recruited over this bunch.

The one thing we gotta remember also, in bball, men's and/or women's, 1 real good recruiting class is all thats required to turn an average or below average team into a great team. When Buck came here in 87, UND women were not on the radar.......at all. The first year, coach brings Heisler and Chaske with him, and they go to the University of Arizona and win!! BBall can turn quickly.............not this year............but it doesn't take 3 or 4 years to start winning.

Lost 67-43. 43 points for a DI team? Not equal to success in my opinion.

St. Olaf? We wouldn't be the favorite in an inner-squad game right now!!

Where's the guy who wanted this group to play faster? Still think we're athletic enough? A complete joke!!

I'd be surprised if he left S. Illinois for Northern St.; at least right now. The staff at S. Illinois has done great things in their first 2 years and, knowing how good they all are, things are only going to get better. This whole group is on the way up and I don't see any of them pulling the trigger on leaving this soon. Just my opinion but I'd think they'd all sit tight for at least another year.

I think the Miller kid is a DI athlete. His size scares me but there may be a place like corner or slot receiver where he'll make a difference down the road. Too good an athlete to not give him a shot.

There is no way there is enough talent or depth on this team for them to be running "up and down the floor." There aren't nearly enough athletes for this team to play up tempo. They are playing the hand they have the best way they can; taking fewer shots and limiting possessions of the other team. Unfortunately, taking fewer shots only works when you make them. This team, without Bledsoe, hasn't made anything.

Didn't mean for it to be as critical of Mike as of the entire program in general. The more we go to that part of our bench, the weaker we get. There is no depth on this team, guys on the bench in general are NOT DI players. Sorry if it looked personal.

Amen

The more he plays, the worse we are.