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They aren't that far apart and, honestly, I'm not sure which is better. NDSU has much better facilities at the moment, but SIU will nearly close the gap by the end of the decade. NDSU gets the nod in tradition and fan/community support since football is king here, but it's easier to recruit to SIU(the regular Big Dance appearances can't hurt) and the pay is much better. I'd say both jobs are among the 10 best in FCS, and both are trying for the top 5(pay/playoffs for NDSU and facilities for SIU). As for UND, it'd be a stretch for me to put the job in the top-25 for FCS at the moment; maybe top-35 would be better. Facilities are decent, but not spectacular. Pay is above average, but not by much. Hockey is king. Throw in the playoff ineligibility, nickname question, and power vacuum in administration, and you just can't put UND among the elite jobs for now. Maybe in five years things will change dramatically, but not for today.

Kill's last contract before leaving for NIU was for $175k/year plus incentives. I'd have to think the $200k for Lennon includes those incentives, but it's possible it doesn't. Either way, Lennon will sit atop the Gateway salary tree with Farley from UNI, at least for now. It will also put him in the top-five of all FCS coaches.

And former SIU coach Jerry Kill had a base salary of $175,000 in a working-class region. I expect northeast ND and southern Illinois aren't all that different when it comes to cost of living. I also expect Kill's replacement to get a total package in the $175,000-$200,000 range. That would be a pretty good bump from his[DL's] current salary, correct?

Assuming next year would've been Braegelmann's last year anyway(I don't know the particulars of the situation), he should be fine. Reclassification rules allow some leeway for players who are finishing up during the second of five years(2008-09 for UND). As long as he enrolled at UND prior to June 1, 2006, he will finish under DII eligibility rules. This doesn't appear to apply to players with more than one year of DII eligibility remaining.

Carbondale and SIU are about to issue $83 million in bonds for a major construction project(SalukiWay) that includes a 12,000 seat, horseshoe shaped, football stadium. Also, Jerry Kill brought SIU football back from the brink, and it's currently enjoying a kinda-sorta-renaissance that's starting to close in on basketball. I'm not saying Lennon will take the job(though my gut says he will if it's offered), I'm just trying to say that I think SIU is a better job than Montana State. Early renderings: (bonds issued in 2008, construction begins in '08 or '09?)

The poster starting the rumor claims that Lennon was on campus for an interview this last weekend and the announcement of the chosen canidate will come on the 28th. Anyone know where DL was Fri-Sun?

Roofless option(seen before): Retractable Roof Stadium: RRS connected to Indoor Training Facility: Inside of ITF: Map of the entire complex(w/ RRS option):

I prefer the term geeky, but I'll answer to both. I've come to grips with my many levels of geekness and have embraced it as a lifestyle. Doesn't help much with the ladies, though. EDIT: In the spirit of teh geekness... Cal Band Great! Cal Band Halftime Show 11/3/07 (Good angle, but upside down) Same show, different angle(You can see the mascots fight) Just the music

I searched for the info, but couldn't find it anywhere on the web. Since NDSU follows the NDUS reporting guidelines which are based off the national IPEDS, I compared the headcounts reported on each schools' website to the headcount on the IPEDS website(all Fall '06). NDSU and CC report the same number in both places, while MSUM reports a lower number on their website than they do to IPEDS. It's possible that the reporting system the state of Minnesota uses is more conservative than IPEDS; that's only a guess, though. Where the Tri-College students fit into it all, I have no idea. As for the numbers of individual students involved, I'd be surprised if the numbers of MSUM & CC students taking classes at NDSU reach beyond the low hundreds. If anyone can find a site with hard numbers, I'd love to see it. My curiosity has been piqued(at least for a few days).

I would say no. The only businesses right next to campus have been a small pizza place(gone now, I think), a convenience store, and one bar(The Turf). I can't believe a small number of businesses like that could make any appreciable difference. I suppose you could count the 19th Ave development, but I always felt it was too far away to create the type of atmosphere we're talking about. The new development along 12th Ave might change that in a few years, as long as the right types of businesses come in. I agree with everything you guys are saying; both campuses need some sort of commercial center right next door that caters to students.

Well, there are some restrictions on what classes can be taken where by whom*, but I don't see the big deal; this is what headcount enrollments are. If you've ever heard a president or provost say that headcounts don't mean that much, this is why. A headcount counts every unique student that takes even one class for credit. The figure that you use when you want to really compare campuses is full time equivalents(FTE). That figure tells you how much instruction is actually going on. To give you a real world example, I've got a friend who was affected by the Imation decision to close down the Wahpeton plant. She got her associate's degree from NDSCS several years back, and is now getting her bachelor's through the NDUS system to make herself more attractive to employers. Dickinson State is considered her home campus(it's what her diploma will say), but, because of the way the SBoHE has set up the E-Learning system, she will probably take classes from at least nine of the NDUS campuses by the time she's done. This fall, I believe she's taking courses from DSU, Minot State and UND. Because she's taking the classes for credit and they count towards a degree, she's counted by each institution as part of their respective headcounts. However, she's only counted once when totaling up the headcount of the entire NDUS. Back to the real topic, it looks like UND spent $25,168 per athlete last year. SDSU spent $14,707; USD $16,433; UNO $23,978; NDSU $29,059; UNI $31,310; U of MN $59,655. What does any of that mean? I have no idea. I'm just trying to get the topic back on track. *Restrictions: The Tri-College system includes only NDSU, MSUM and CC. NDSU & MSUM students may take only one class per semester at CC and only if they are full time students and the class isn't offered at their home campuses. CC students may take only one class per semester at either NDSU or MSUM and only if they are a full time student and that class isn't offered at CC. No limits are placed between NDSU and MSUM on numbers of classes taken per semester or the student's full time or part time status. If the class you want to take at another campus is required for your major, you must get approval from your department. Courses that require special fees or special enrollment procedures, NDSU Continuing Ed programs, off campus or weekend classes from MSUM's Continuing Ed program, most workshops, and independant study and private music instruction at CC are all ineligible for Tri-College registration. One of the cool things about the system is the option to get a minor not offered at your home campus. A NDSU music major could get a string minor from MSUM, or a CC biology major might get a crop and weed science minor from NDSU. One of the kinda weird aspects of the system can occur between NDSU & MSUM. In some programs, you can enroll at one of the univerities, take almost all of your courses at the other, and then transfer after your third year and finish at the other campus. Six NDSU programs and ten MSUM programs can be done this way. More than you ever wanted to know.

I'm kinda hoping we'll still make some noise this year by taking The Summit's autobid this weekend and winning a match or two in the NCAA tourney. I think it may have been brought up here already, but the three new members of The Summit are the #1(SDSU), #2(NDSU) & #3(IPFW) seeds in the conference tourney. Also, SDSU would've made the soccer tourney had they been eligible(NDSU would've just missed the cut). Moral of the story: transitional teams can do well in the non-revenue sports right out of the gate if they're properly supported. Now, our baseball program on the other hand... Other moral: Centenary sucks. (Conf - WSoc: 0-6-2; MSoc: 2-4; VB: 1-15)

That sounded right, so I was going to backpedal from my earlier position until I decided to check out the SBoHE guidelines for reporting enrollment in detail(I have always wanted to, but never gotten around to it. I'm real fun at parties, too.). Back in 2001, the SBoHE decided to change the NDUS guidelines to match National IPEDS enrollment reporting. It was this decision that caused Tri-College and correspondence students to become part of the total headcount, if they were working towards degrees. For example, in 2006 UND reported a total headcount of 12,834. Of those, 2,002 were enrolled in some form of distance learning for degree. Since the face to face on campus total for UND was 11,630, it looks like there was some duplication, though the report used conservative counting methods so there may have been more total students than reported. The fact is, if you're even taking a single credit, you are part of the total headcount as long as you're working towards a degree(albeit very slowly working). Here's UND's Fall 2006 breakdown for any other geeks out there. (DE = Distance Education) 10,376 - Undergraduate Headcount Enrollment 1,978 - Graduate Headcount Enrollment 480 - Professional Headcount Enrollment 12,834 - Total Headcount Enrollment 531 - Face To Face Off Campus(UND Fargo Center, etc.) 250 - Corresponence 1,399 - E-Learning 2,180 - Duplicated DE Total 2,002 - Unduplicated DE Total 11,630 - Face To Face On Campus 13,632 - DE & On Campus Duplicated Totals 12,831 - Unduplicated DE & On Campus Total 3 - Non-Degree Credit Enrollments 12,834 - Campus Total 10,460 - Full Time Students 898 - FTE Enrollments of Part Time Students 11,381 - Total FTE Enrollment Fall Enrollment Report 2006.pdf

I can't speak for MSUM or CC, but I'm pretty sure that the ND SBoHE requires NDSU to count them(MSUM/CC students who take classes at NDSU) as part of its total enrollment. It goes back to a few years ago when the Board standardized all reporting across the NDUS campuses. Potentially, a Tri-College student can be counted three times if they take classes at all three institutions. Most TC students are counted twice, as they usually only take classes from one of the two other universities. Before anyone gets too up in arms, it's the same system that allows UND to count a full time Minot State student(or other NDUS school) as a correspondence student as long as they take a single UND class via the internet. Those students are counted as part of UND's total enrollment. It's the way the SBoHE counts students. As for the OPE numbers, for the last two years(at least), UND has reported its total enrollment instead of its undergraduate; the numbers are identical(+/- 1 student). I have to assume it's unintentional(since there's not much advantage in reporting the wrong figures*), but it's surprising that the mistake was made for yet another year. *Since the data is used for equity calculations, the main advantage to reporting the wrong number would be if the unversity was way out of compliance with Title IX and the ratio of men to women in the graduate and professional programs was weighted so heavily towards men that it significantly helped the overall M/W balance. Since UND's Title IX compliance is quite good, I can't see any reason to deliberately send the wrong number.

No in-depth analysis here, I just wish someone would explain to UND what an undergraduate is. This is at least the second year they've submitted the wrong enrollment number.

We didn't. The score was 58-24 in 2003. In 2006, when we had the full 63 scholarships, we beat them 66-7.

NDSU dropping the hammer on SUU, 52-17 at the end of the third quarter. Joe Mays and Tyler Roehl haven't played at all today; hip pointer and sore shoulder, respectively. John Majeski went out at the beginning of the second half with a leg/hamstring injury. Steve Walker was pulled after 45-17.

As for long-term tribal approval, just agree to it only if it's for 99 years and can only be revoked by a 75% vote of the entire tribe or something. That should keep council politics out of it and keep the name secure unless UND does something really bad to piss the tribe off(how often have you seen 75% of a voting group agree on something?).

Just popped up on the Forum website: Sources: UND faces retiring Fighting Sioux nickname

I don't want to start a new thread on this(somebody else will, and it'll probably turn to smack before the end of the first page). NDSU has just announced that the Illinois State game will be televised statewide on NBC. The Nov 3rd game is at the Fargodome and the kickoff has been moved to 4:00. There's also a rumor floating around that SDSU is softening its stance on televising the Dakota Marker game. The early rumor was that FSN was going to pick up the Illinois State game and KVLY was going to take the SDSU game. Perhaps they've switched, or maybe SDSU is sticking to their position and that game won't be televised.

Looks like... DirectTV: 656 Dish Network: 409

Since UCD is a future opponent(next year?), I thought some of you might be interested in watching them play this weekend at 4:00 after the UMD game wraps up. The game will be shown on Midcontinent and Mediacom cable systems. For specific cities: http://www.gojacks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB...;ATCLID=1287179

I don't hunt, but I assume you make a day of it. If either hunting or the game requires any significant travel, I can't image the average fan would enjoy sitting in the cold and wet while hunting, then getting into a truck and driving for an hour or three, then sitting on hard bleachers for another three or four. That would be a terribly long day.

Pheasant opener. You know how it is in the Dakotas.

Just wondering what you meant by that. I didn't think there was any FBS minimum requirement, or if there was, I thought it was six. Regardless of anything else, there will be an overlap. UND becomes a counter in 2009 and NDSU can't move up until 2011. edit: Never mind, I found it. Never noticed that one before. Why am I, a Bison fan, here? Two reasons. One, I love complicated processes like a DI move or the inner workings of a university. Two, what UND does affects NDSU. Recruiting, money, conference situations all change depending on whether or not UND is in the picture. To understand NDSU, I must keep up with what's happening up north. The second is why I read, the first is why I post. Personally, I only want to see NDSU go FBS if it's with the Missouri Valley. I feel both the MAC and the WAC would be sideways moves rather than forward ones. And I have a better chance of walking on the moon than NDSU has of getting into the Mountain West. The Gateway will be folded back into the MVC in the next couple of years and there's a chance the conference could go FBS around 2015. Not a big chance, but a chance. If NDSU has continued basketball success(and a new arena) and SDSU rights their ship, both would become full MVC members during the move up. I'd only give it a 15% chance of happening at the moment, but last year I only gave it 10%. By 2015, who knows?