ScottM

Considering how many Ojibwa/Chippewa apologists, e.g., the Bellecourt brothers, Jeanotte, etc. are "offended" for you and your white, liberal "friends", you should be getting their water for them. Now that's an "embarrassment".

"You're" pretty amusing when you attempt the use of logic.

Leave it to "Cryin' Jim" McKenzie to write into his favorite paper and explain how bad UND is, even as he stayed there to collect his pension. I remember Cryin' Jim attending a number of Sioux athletic events, back in the day. Sure as hell doesn't stop a variety of traditional Dakota/Lakota/Nakota enemies from cryin' about the name either ... *cough* Bellecourt *cough* Can't say I disagree with this at all, including the use of certain handles on this board.

If people don't wish to be represented in a supposedly derogatory fashion, why do they perpetuate the practice with their own hypocrisy? Are we on a sliding scale of who can or who cannot use terms that may offend certain sensitive souls? Was there an affirmative action statute enacted in this regard? "Black folks"? Gee I haven't heard that term since the last time I was in Carolina. What is it with certain clods always trotting out blacks, the 60s Civil Rights Movement, etc. and making a Linnean leap to a team's nickname/logo? Way to obfuscate the issue.

No, the "issue" is that some of these people want to have it both ways. They say they don't call themselves "Sioux", but they represent themselves as such by official means, and then decry the use of a name they say they don't use because their little feelings are all hurt. If it hurts so damn bad, don't do it. Cripes, it's a f**kin' wonder their forebears didn't starve to death after getting pushed out of the woods with that type of self-pity. Red Cloud must be spinning in embarrassment. Find a name, stick with it across the board and quit whining about a name that you say doesn't represent you. Good grief, if this argument was presented to a judge, they'd get thrown out on their ears. Frankly, the name "Sioux" is so far out in the public domain, you can probably use it for anything, as witnessed by the number of hits on the USPTO website.

In the clip they say they don't refer to themselves as "Sioux". So what's the problem if we use it? Don't they undermine their standing by disregarding the name? Oh wait here's some info from their website: More whoops Silly inconsistencies ...

I would guess a copy of the original resolution which was sent with the Appeal would spell out any "conditions" which seem to have only recently manifested themselves. Then again, there may be a credibility issue(s) from the SL folks, and their handlers in the same regard.

Doubtful. People have very long memories, and this a very upfront issue that would only be magnified by any lingering hostility over this issue. Then again, many of the locals can work in the pawn shops, payday lenders and consumer finance shops that follow casinos. "You need another $300 because you feel lucky? Sure, no problem. Just initial where it says 30% APR. See you next week." This is good for my industry, as we do set up near casinos, especially Indian-run shops which attract the "best" prospects, and the new bankruptcy provisions going into effect in October will only make it more cash-rich.

I live in a city that's been around for over 200 years or so, in one form or another, and have been watching their DT revitalization efforts, which are similar to GF's. People need an actual reason to work, live and play DT. Even before the '97 Flood people in GF were migrating their homes and businesses south and west of DT. You can build condos and apartments, but you also have to include retail development, so people don't have to drive 15 minutes for bread and beer, let alone a decent meal. Bars and restaurants are nice, but so is Applebee's. GF's leaders/residents need to decide what they want in their DT. Should it be family-oriented? Maybe an IMAX connected to a children's museum? Should it be a casino area? Maybe an entertainment-complext tied to it? Anyway you slice it, there has to commercial development that can attract similar businesses (a halo effect) and perhaps others who want to live and work in that environment. My .02

Speaking of, what are the odds, some pun intended, that the GF big-wigs will back a casino in town? You know, given that the entire city, and much of its local govt, is stacked with UND alums, etc., who may not be favorably disposed to doing anything for the Spirit Lake folks.

It's always nice to know that the Sioux can't stand up on their own and oppose the name, rather than relying on some carpet-bagger from another tribe to do the cheerleading.

The rest probably have better things to do, like work, study, read to the kids, etc.

As well, this is not a "legal" document whereby you would use a statute, regulation or caselaw to justify the statement of illegality. "Conditional" language, as used here, can reinforce your point, while also presenting a veiled threat of future action.

Similar to the element of the appeal that addressed the whims and fancies of various administrations, and how the name should not rest of their "approval".

I tend to like the appeal. It builds a strong case, addresses some of the current discussions/disagreements regarding the use of Indian names/logos and puts the NC$$ into a nice, neat box over the use of the FSU mascot. I'm especially pleased that, unlike FSU, UND did not hang its hat on the support of any tribe or band. I also like the fact that they pushed the point that "Indian names" prevade the nation in various ways.

Typical socialist, whiny "Blame America" European bilge masking itself as "intellectual discourse". I see that Herr Braun also teaches the Lakota language. I wonder if that includes yodeling. On a related note, what possessed the "Indian Studies" dept to hire a European white male who represents centuries of oppression and death to certain elements? I suppose they felt bad for him being "oppressed" by a country he chose to enter and live in.

Ah yes, gotta love it when Eurotrash enter into the fray. Damn "Swiss Indians" ... always so uppity.

Err ... Dr. Yeagley is actually Comanche. Better I tell you, than having him tell you.

Regardless of any band's support, or lack thereof, I think UND is making a very good point in playing up the strengths of its programs aimed at American Indians, rather than depending on "support" that can wax or wane depending on who's in charge.

AP is reporting that Ellsworth stays open, 8-1.

A pretty pointed attack on the NC$$'s flip-flop on FSU. Link

And this is why FSU's campaign is a map for UND. Florida got everybody on the same sheet of music, including its politicians, and delivered the same message. The only comments I've seen outside of UND were some comments by the Governor. The louder FSU and its allies rattled their sabres, the faster the NC$$ looked for an out, even if they looked like hypocritical fools in the process. In order to sharpen its Appeal to the NC$$, it would not hurt if UND got some/all of NoDak's congressional delegation on board too, and continued keeping its message in the media, e.g., ESPN, the wires, etc. No matter what their politics, these guys do have clout in DC, and now is a good time to have them represent their constituents, especially with an election on the horizon.

Precisely. UND will need to accentuate the positive aspects of its entire set of programs, etc. to offset negative commentary/opposition from others. The original set of appeals guidelines made "approval" a key factor, they also allowed other factors that might allow a more "holistic" approach to the usage of names/logos.

After reviewing FSU's letter, it provides a nice template on which UND can base its appeal. While not having the express support of every Sioux band on the planet, it can point to its relations with different groups, educational programs, outreach initiatives, etc. Frankly, I doubt the NC$$ really expected the national backlash/firestorm they created. I expect they thought the schools would cave in, and give the errant schools an "excuse" to change their names that would harbor them from angry alums, students, etc. Given the increasingly hardened positions this rule created, I think the name-change crowd may have hit a wall, hard.