jimdahl

I don't make it to Grand Forks much but hit the holiday tournament on Friday night. I'm no PCM, but I did play with the camera a bit. All shots taken from row K of section 307 (read: nowhere near the action) http://siouxsports.com/hockey/showgallery.php?id=6

Good article. I think you just posted it because you're quoted in the WSJ

I didn't know there was hockey further west from North Dakota

I think it's just a carry over from the now-defunct all-Minnesotan pride on ice days. Though the experiment of playing all-Minnesota kids proved unsuccessful, the attitudes born in that era still survive. When they were playing only Minnesota kids, it was critical to get all the best talent from Minnesota. It's never bothered UND fans to have someone from Thunder Bay (or S-SM ) score the NCAA-winning goal. Therefore, getting the best talent from ND is less critical than just getting the best talent. That said, I certainly understand the appeal of seeing the kids at the high schools you follow going on to the college for which you cheer. For ND fans, I think it's sort of like when Kleinsasser went to the Vikings. No one would've wished him ill had he gone to the Packers, it's just nice to see a local boy move up into another team you like.

I'll type really slowly this time. Profits are irrelevant in this discussion because I'm not talking about the business success of the program. I'm talking about the prestige and national attention it brings UND, which is simply dependent on how many people are exposed to the sport and exposed to the school because of it. Those people couldn't care less how much UND profits off them being a fan. They're not more or less of a fan dependent on UND's profits. Profit matters in UND's ability to sustain the support, but that's a completely separate issue that I don't think anyone is worried about.

Yeah, the D-I hockey referendum in Fargo a couple years ago seems to confirm your assessment. It also hurts that the hockey fans in Fargo only have to drive an hour to get to one of the best D-I teams in the country -- it's practically a single market. Despite NDSU's desire to add hockey, there's just not much community support.

Certainly with a pretty full plate of goalies already and Lamoureux signed for '04, I suspect the Sioux didn't have much to offer Ziegelman. We can't take all the good players, there are only so many roster slots.

Nope, profit is irrelevant to my point. My point was the source of NDSU's insecurity and jealousy of UND hockey. It's because of the number of bodies going through the gate (many from Fargo) and national recognition the school gets, not profit. No one has ever claimed that NDSU is going D-I or has tried repeatedly to add hockey to increase profit.

Frankly, star2city didn't seem that upset by your slogan (I've never seen it), he was just using it as evidence to make a very valid point. * It will be decades, if not centuries, before NDSU has 7 D-I titles (frankly, that's a moving target that I suspect UND will increase long before NDSU approaches it) * UND's hockey gate in a year is more than all of NDSU's D-I sports combined will be * NDSU has repeatedly tried to add hockey, but can never come up with the money Trust me, we know why NDSU fans disparage hockey in every venue and forum that they can. No need to explain yourself.

So THAT'S what's responsible for the following personal attacks: (All quotes JBB) Hardly. This thread had NOTHING to do with NDSU. It's about the future of the NCC, which NDSU is leaving. Attacking UND, Grand Forks, all their fans, and now the NCC does not provide any sort of pro-NDSU sentiment, it just reveals your true motivations.

Their parents are Jennifer McEwen Enoch and Eric and Karen Hale. I can't guarantee there's not a more distant relationship, but there's also no evidence of one. Doing a little further research, apparently Larry Hale was long enough ago that he's probably a bit old too be a parent of WCHA players, so I guess I didn't really add much interesting.

Though that definitely crossed a lot of fans' minds strategically, I think throwing a game would really destroy a team's momentum and spirit. The team that goes on to win the NCAA championship has to play hard to win every game throughout the tournament and often has a certain momentum going into the tournament. I don't think throwing a game would work at all from a psychological standpoint. Plus, it's easy to misestimate the "easy" path!

It's an old cricket term that has been applied to sports in general (often used in ice hockey). http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=h...t%20trick

Right you are. The link I provided earlier lists the rules pretty clearly. * The agent question is up in the air (depends on whether the NCAA decides that the guy was an agent rather than a friend) * Trying out for a team at their expense makes you a pro (the room and board seems like it might meet that standard) * Playing in a scrimmage against an outside opponent makes you a pro Thankfully, though, JBB doesn't determine the punishment. The Forum and Herald both speculated that forfeiture of up to 7 games would actually be the harshest possible punishment. The bigger question is what happens to Myron's eligibility?

That's correct. Games against foreign teams can't be considered for the purpose of NCAA tournament eligibility.

Yeah, I meant to mention that. Usually only the Minnesota games are reliably on Fox Sports North.

Generally, all UND games are available only in the home market (Midco cable in Dakotas & Minnesota) or via big dish satellite: KU Band Galaxy 3C Transponder 18 95 Deg West Longitude Downlink Freq 12050 MHz Horz Audio 6.2, 6.8 The only exceptions are those games that get picked up by the local Fox Sports affiliate, which is apparently available on DirecTV nationwide (though some cable systems may eventually be adding those -- I know Charter in Madison is now adding more of the regional Fox Sports networks).

That was sort of what I was saying above. While I don't think we need to hire private investigators to search into everyone's past, I would have guessed that there would be some sort of meeting with new recruits at which we stressed NCAA rules about eligibility, taking gifts, etc... If we sat down and listed the rules for each recruit, violations such as this should be obvious to the student (though you are counting on him to disclose it, which is not to his advantage). The NCAA rules are quite clear on this situation, though: http://www.ncaa.org/eligibility/cbsa/amateurism.html I mean, there's no room for honest error here (assuming the facts as presented are true, which is NOT yet proven).

The AP version of this story just summarizes the Forum article. Guess we'll see what the Herald has to say in coming days. http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/s...rts/4758515.htm

Your pointless rant refused to address the facts. I'm going to keep calling you this. Just because you write a response attacking UND and hockey doesn't mean you refuted my points. * You claim that supporting hockey causes UND and other NCC schools to neglect all other sports. * I refute it by pointing out how successful the NCC (even excluding NDSU) is in all sports excluding hockey. Your burden is not to prove that hockey is the biggest sport at some NCC schools (something no one disputes), but rather to prove that it somehow harms other sports. In three attempts, you've completely ignored that and just gone on anti-UND, anti-NCC, anti-hockey rants.

Right -- the thing to do is clearly to sit him immediately until this is resolved, so as not to compromise any future games. I always wonder how these things go undetected. I would think that on their way into college athletics, students would go through some compliance training/Q&A in which the school's compliance people learned any concerns. It sounds like this wasn't something he was hiding, but rather misinterpreted. Why didn't it come up earlier? Of course, my viewpoint depends very much on the facts and interpretation in the Forum story being 100% accurate.

I already answered this -- because Duluth is a great football school, an NCC sport. I could very well make some claim like "the NCC is really just a backdrop for wrestling because all the schools except two have wrestling". Sure you stated a fact, but it has nothing to do with your claim. It only proved the growing popularity of hockey. I've demonstrated that the NCC is a premiere conference in a wide variety of sports. You can't disprove it because it's a fact. We're all aware that you're jealous that UND has higher attendance from hockey alone than NDSU will have as a D-I school in all sports combined. However, you can't dispute that UND has also been competitive in football and basketball, among other sports. Your claim that hockey has caused UND to ignore those sports is ridiculous and easily disproven by look at Sioux-Bison results, or Sears Cup standings.

That Fire and Ice show from NFL Films was great. I miss Rocky -- I used to be able to summon hatred of NDSU when he was the man in charge, now NDSU football just summons pity. Here's the link the story about the CBS show about basketball: http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforkshe...rts/4742917.htm

The UND Alumni Association are really great people to deal with. I've had a few times over the years that I've talked to the MIS director about web sites, etc..., and they've always been very responsive and helpful. I don't find it at all surprising that they're the ones applying the pressure to fix the problem even though it's not their responsibility. Kudos to the alumni association!