Teeder11
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But then she began hearing and seeing the name used is offensive ways, and students told her about racist incidents on campus. She changed her mind about the logo she was once so proud of.
Uh, sure Doreen. Care to provide any particulars? And if you're reading this: You're an awful writer, and UND should be ashamed it ever gave you a degree.
But yet you read her anyway knowing full well what you're going to get. Who's the dope?
Go Fighting Sioux forever!
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I'm sorry I blamed the Herald. The Attorney General got it wrong in his statement. Maybe he didn't bother reading it.
You're probably right on that. Serves the AG right. Nice settlement,Wayne!
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The Herald did say:
But it wouldn't be the first time the Herald got it wrong.
So we got three years of time to kick this around and keep some of the architecture. I wouldn't have settled for that.
So what happens the mythical day the Ralph gets turned over to the University? Jackhammers?
The Herald got it right. And they got it right without anonymous sources, unlike the Fargo Fraud.
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Yep. As do players, families, coaches, potential recruits, scouts, etc..., as I frequently try to remind people when they post something they wouldn't say to someone's face.
Jim: Great post.
Most news stories begin with a tip from a public source or from a "common Joe" from the public calling in a tip. Blogs (all blogs) and message boards have simply made it easier for journalists to monitor what is going on in certain sectors of the public. Local media would be foolish not to monitor this message board, what with all of the insiders and others on here who spread information that a journalist would have to pull teeth to get otherwise. The media simply has the power to take those nuggets of information and spread it to a much wider audience, and many in that audience learn it for the first time from the media.
This forum is basically a mass news tip.
Someone always knows juicy information before someone else; rarely, is it news media who is the first to know, not even the New York Times is that good. They have sources and, in many cases, tipsters. The posters on this board basically are tipsters for the local media, whether we like that kind of title or not.
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well...remember they posted "BUNING SPEAKS OUT" as a headline to a couple FOI email responses
Whatever sells the paper I guess but don't judge a book by its cover OR an article by its headline 
Or whatever gets you too watch your certain local NBC affiliated newscast, right? You're station isn't the paragon of broadcast excellence in the region either, so spare us the holier than thou, incredulous tone.
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Thanks Bud. You do know that I am on your side on this issue, though? As a UND alumnus who wore and still wears the colors and name proudly, I say, Go Fighting Sioux!
Fred W.
Canmore, Alberta.
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Maybe the Herald can find an old picture with Kupchella, Buning and Harmeson all smiling together and print that as news.
God knows you'd suck it up like everything else and be the first to post it on here. Face it, you love the papers and can't live without them.
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and yet they call us internet idiots...NO RESPECT I SAY!
They're a lot better than KVLY.
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Funny that the news broke in the FARGO FORUM
It's neither here nor there, but thought I would set the record straight as to what happened.
It didn't break in the Forum. It was broke by the Associated Press (Dave Kolpak) in Fargo. It was reprinted in the Fargo Forum moments before it was online in the Herald. I saw it first in the Herald. My guess is that the Herald had the news too (since it was a simple one-source statement from Peter Johnson, the school spokesman) and was waiting until after DAZ's 5 and 6 p.m. show to put it on its Web site, knowing that DAZ monitors the Herald Web site all day long.
But once AP reported it, there was no need to save it any longer. The news was out.
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The rag does not get a pass from me. You're not too familiar with techniques in propaganda are you? The rag slants the story. Consider the following passages
Dupris has been visiting Sioux officials on the arena's behalf since early this summer, part of an arena attempt to improve its relations with Sioux tribes, which are strained over UND's continued use of the Sioux nickname.
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UND-NCAA lawsuitUND is suing the NCAA over a 2005 policy barring schools with American Indian logos and nicknames from displaying those logos and nicknames during postseason play or hosting playoff games.
Out of 20 schools originally subject to the restrictions, UND is the only school still fighting the policy. All other schools on the list have either stopped using American Indian imagery or won an NCAA waiver, usually by gaining the endorsement of a nearby namesake tribe.
The first misstates relations with the tribes. Relations are certainly strained with certain PC hacks within the tribes and with certain PC hack professors. The relations are not strained with most members of the tribe like the veterans group that this guy engaged. There was another big-wig -- I want to say that it was Mr. His Horse is Thunder -- on the tribal judiciary or something who supported the nickname. Most support the nickname but the rag focuses only on a few PC hacks and claims that relations are strained.
As to the second passage, I thought UND was suing the NC00 over not fairly administering and not complying with their 2005 "policy." I thought UND was suing over the arbitrary and capricious manner that the NC00 applied its "policy" as to UND. I thought UND was suing the NC00 because it did not follow its own procedures/constitution in adopting a "policy," without input or voting from its membership, applied to all schools. The "Out of 20 schools...." blather is a passage the rag writers always use to make UND appear "unreasonable" and the rag fails to mention the 2000 resolution from the Spirit Lake tribe.
Friend, you had better get out your brown shirt and red arm band as you are evidently easily convinced/deceived through such techniques.
Chewey:
Touche, Good points. Thank you, bud.
But, one thing, I know all of the "rag" writers you allude to personally, from Virg Foss on up, and they are as big a of Fighting Sioux fans as you and me and would never want the name changed -- go figure. I think sometimes too much is read into things... and we see what we want to see or we start believing the myth rather than the truth... who knows. But again, great points. I will try to wise up.
You got to admit, though, great and interesting stuff in the paper today... ie. Northwood angels and photos galore, dead city councilman, Pauslen vs. Kupchella, EGF taxes debate, Devils Lake outlet rebuttal, Danny Mattson, etc. etc. etc.
We may hate it, but we sure like to read it....it gets our hearts pumping and our blood boiling. What would anyone of us do if we didn't hate our hometown rags?.... I mean it's the American way, er, in my case, the Canadian way.
Can't wait to get back down there to enjoy a Sioux football or hockey game this fall.
Sincerely,
Fred
Canmore, Alberta
UND Class or '96
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Strange, no snide comments about how the GF Herald is so against the nickname and how their UND beat writers have to sign in blood to write only stories that are against the nickname.
Oh jeez, what was I thinking, of course, the story is actually a positive for the pro-nickname army. Duh.
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Well at least we know where they stand and it's apparent what their agenda is. God I knew there was a reason I cancelled that rag.
Too bad I was stupid enough to re-instate it.
Yeah, a fool is born every minute.
.Listen. Time out a minute.
I love the Fighting Sioux nickname as much as most on this board... I am a die-hard fan and would never want the name changed -- ever!
That said. A little balance is sometimes needed on here where a lot of piling on takes place amid the saftey of anonymity.
Case in point -- When I was a student at UND in mid 1990s, I became good friends with a lot of the media in town. I dealt a lot with the Dakota Student on campus, I had an internship with the Herald and did some work with DAZ. My experiences were warm with all and are treasured to this day. I became very good friends with some of these people. Some who get trashed on here a lot for being biased are actually big Sioux fans and would never want the name changed.
One of my best friends still writes for the paper and used to actually be a UND beat writer. He's also one of the biggest Sioux fans I know apart from me. He told me once, while we were attending a Sioux hockey game a few years ago (not in the Herald box), that he got criticized from both sides of the nickname issue all the time, and that he thought that meant he was being as balanced as he could and not favoring one side over the other. He said it was hard to report the news, because inevitably one side would not be happy. He just shook his head and wondered if the the nickname proponents could wrap their brains around the fact that, unbeknownst to them, he was rubbing elbows with them and cheering as loud as them, screaming Go Sioux, at the games.
I noticed some editorial licenses taken in today's story by Joseph Mark, some of them have already been pointed out on this board. But, frankly, and again, as a pro-nickname guy, I don't think those particular instances were that aggregious when compared to the entire issue that the writer was trying to get across. I think instead of assassinating the messenger, in this case, we should be taking our displeasure out on Myra Pearson and David Gipp for not wanting to address the issue again. In my opinion, that is gutless and a diservice to the people in which they serve.
I have seen similar editorial licencing used on Web sites and publications that people on here would regard as nickname friendly, but again, these were not a great concern when tested against the more important points of the nickname issue as a whole. I would exclude the work done on U.S. College Hockey Online by their local writer, Patrick C. Miller. That stuff seems to always be impeccably well done and well sourced. That's a credit to him to churn that stuff out on deadline day in and day out. But, in these cases, I seldom see anyone on here point out minor glossing over of simple facts. However, I would not expect it nor call for it, either.
It's all about perspective, I guess.
Ok. Have at it. Just remember -- I am one of you.
Fred
UND alumnus
Canmore, Alberta
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You know I read that article twice and it does appear that the article was a hatchet job, but you really did a good job of removing any doubt...
This Joseph Marks, Herald Staff Writer clown surely is against the UND name, I mean that is the only conclusion I can come to from reading his venom. It sounds like he called over to the pro-name change people and said hey, what are the points you want me to hit with my article?
Of course he did. Just like Kevin Fee did, just like Steve Foss did, just like Ian Swanson did, just like Mike Benedict did, just like Dave Dodds did, etc.... don't you know, it's a prereq to get the prized "UND beat" you have to be against the name. It's that simple.
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It's the Herald's duty to report FACTS in an unbiased way. The job of a news agency is to report FACTS. If the news agency has an opinion element, that's one thing. ScottM is not a news agency but I am sure he or any one of us could still write about this issue with more objectivity than the Herald reporters. Lack of objectivity in reporting just causes people to dig their heels in on the other side and causes people to recognize the Herald for the fish wrap that it is. Its idiocy and lack of relevancy are the only things that are revealed. The only things more nauseating than reading the Herald or listening to the nickname change crowd are listening to Dark Star (force fed upon us here in MN), reading the Gopher section of the Star and Sickle, and listening to Gopher fans at games at Mariucci.
Chewey:
Good points. I stand corrected.
Fred
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Oh Scott
So you're telling us that if you would have wrote the story you would have been soooo much more objective and fair to all sides involved.
You secretly love the Hurled becaused it keeps giving you fresh things to blog about without even trying.God Bless the Fighting Sioux
Frederick W.
Canmore, Alb.
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As ussual, PCM is the voice of Reason.
And as "ussual," you can't spell very well.
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I love the Herald....always have. It's a fine local newspaper. The Forum is good, too. Two great papers owned by the same company on bookends of the Valley, Forum Comm. sure knows a good deal when it sees one and is a shrewd investor.
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IMHO, one answer to this whole thread is that the Herald reporter who started covering this issue early on has been deployed with the National Guard to serve in Iraq for the next 15 months. Other reporters or editors must not have the knowledge or interest to pick up where he left off. And their sports dept. is just plain too lazy, too short staffed and too close to UND sources to write anything about it.
Sad but true.
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Oh and the herald doesn't have a gf centric view? Get real - in truth the herald is just an extension of UND.
You are right. The relationship between the Grand Forks paper and UND is close knit. That happens everywhere beat reporters get intertwined with faculty, coaches and administrators. I must say though, when it comes to sports, the Herald reporters, with combined experience of 90 years (even without Virg Foss), do seem to be able to identify an issue that needs closer scrutiny and a critical eye at UND than ones that are more trivial. That doesn't mean they don't falter from time to time.
On balance, the paper has taken UND to task on a number of controversial issues, the nickname and logo (editorial board) being tops on the list.
The Herald does lack a McFeely-type columnist, though. Someone who can shake things up locally and not mind the public flack that would come with it. The closest thing the Herald has to that is Kevin Fee, sports editor, who tends to take on more critical stories about UND, so that the beat reporters don't get the silent treatment from their sources.
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I doubt that they'll buy them, they've been a money loser since ever.
Um... just a little reality infusion here. The Herald routinely carries a mid 20 percent profit margin (revenue over expenses). The current profit margin is 24 percent, that's pretty good outside of Wall Street, where corporate hunger for more, more, more will stop at nothing to diminish a newspaper's quality for better dividends. I don't blame them; it just doesn't jibe well with journalism traditions.
The Herald carried a helluva debt load after the flood, but has since overcome that, and has posted the profits that Knight Ridder demanded of it. They did this by cutting hard at every level. But to say the paper is a money loser is just plain ignorant.
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My posts aren't perfect. But I do read several times before I post, and then right afterwards and I do have to edit sometimes.
My posts are mostly sarcasm, I like to laugh, and sometimes I laugh at other people......but most of the time, I'm laughing at myself.
Life is way too short to take it so seriously that you can't laugh, IMO. I can't imagine going through life and not laughing so hard at least once that you wet your pants.
What's the topic again?
The Herald, I think, no, I mean, the nicknmae, or, maybe, UNDIA.... Oh hell, I don't know.
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As part of my job, I often need to refer people to online versions of news stories and editorials or quote information from them. I know how to search the Herald's Web site to find stories because I do it frequently.
I don't know what the Herald's intention is for its online version of the paper, but I do know from extensive personal experience that much of what is in the printed version doesn't make it online. Maybe it does eventually, but it certainly doesn't get there a timely manner.
If I didn't subscribe to the Herald and tried to rely solely on the Web version, I'd miss an awful lot of news. That's why there's no danger of me canceling my subscription, no matter how much I might disagree with an editorial decision.
At any rate, I don't think this has anything to do with the discussion. I doubt that the journalists who work at the Herald would take kindly to having the content of their newspaper compared to an Internet message board.
Good points
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I'm correcting myself because teeder11 is right. I did say in a previous post that UNDIA contacted the media. He said they didn't and I'll take his word for it.
It was good reporting on his part.
My apologies.
No problem, PCM. Thanks for clarifiation. I don't mean to sound like an ass. Just like to quash misconception about are local "rag."
I know the people that work there. That is why it's easy for me to get to the bottom of things.
Often times, rumor and conspiracy theories about the paper are more fun and exciting then the truth.
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No it's not. I subscribe to the paper. On numerous occasions, I've tried to find an article online that was in the print version. Many times, what's in the print version is not in the online version.
Those stories usually appear later in the day. Or if they don't it's a computer glitch that is not intended, according to Tom Dutcher, the Herald Web guy.
He said every morning at about 7 a.m he does an inventory to make sure all of the loca and regional and state and national stories got online. If he finds any that aren't there that are supposed to be, he gets it up.
The Herald web site is a template used by all Knight Ridder papers, and sometimes that makes things difficult. The Herald is at the mercy of a central Knight Ridder computer network office in Witchita or St. Paul, I cant remember which.
So, yes, they are all supposed to be there, and they usually are. Sometimes they are not, but that is not intended.
Your turn.
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I thought he was pretty decent as "Jeff Spicoli" in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
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