Teeder11
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So, let me see if I got this right...
Some folks on here are disappointed that TJ Oshie got arrested twice within a year, and in being disappointed with his behavior they are losers, because being busted for a D.C. and a minor in a bar is not that big of deal. Well, consider me a loser.
When a hockey player comes to UND, he becomes a local celebrity of sorts. When that player distinguishes himself enough to become an on-ice leader and gain national attention because of his skills, he becomes even more of a celebrity. With that celebrity comes responsibility and, as Dagies stated, it really is not too much to expect that they avoid arrest for stupid s&!t. So yes, I'm very disappointed that TJ has screwed up twice within a year.
Do I think Hak has handled the situation correctly? Yes, we don't know all the details, but we do know what the charges are and a one game suspension is certainly warranted until the case goes to court and there is a legal resolution.
Is this issue going to stop me from being a fan of Sioux Hockey or rooting for Oshie when he is on the ice? Not a chance. But he has a whole shitpot of growing up to do to earn that
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I must say that I do have an issue with the Herald plastering Oshie's mugshot in the paper. Unnecessary. Maybe a little blip in the sport section since people want to know what the suspension is for. It is a pretty sad statement when the Herald and WDAZ have nothing better to report on. Why couldn't the Herald just post a hockey picture of Oshie along with the story? Regarding this site, I think discussion of the incident is fair game since it is a dedicated fan site.
I am guessing that there are some "local celebs" (non UND hockey players) that get in trouble from time to time (i.e DUI's) but we never see their mugshots on the front page.
Your opinion does hold some merit.
But we need to get something straight. We in the public and on this message board tend to laud all the positive things that Sioux hockey players do and seldom turn a critical eye to the way the media inflates the run-of-the-mill ordinary stuff they do on and off the ice. I think we need to understand -- whether right or wrong -- that the media pendulum swings both ways. Why do we tend to be OK with the Herald inflating the fluffy feel-good stuff about the hockey players? And then, why all of a sudden do we come down on the them for delivering a perceived negative message? I know, 'cause we're fans and this our right.
But, I'm seeking a deeper understanding into our demands of the media.
I think whether the mugshot is necessary is debatable. I don't think it really matters. I think the paper has a responsibility to do things the way it wants (within the law) independent of what fans on a Fighting Sioux message board think. We've got to face it, the Sioux hockey players are big celebs in this town, we made them that way. Donning the UND sweater comes with new responsibilities that their nonhockey playing classmates don't have to deal with. Fair or not, those are the facts. We can't put them on a pedestal one minute when the press is good, and then, turn around the next minute and say the hockey players are just like any other Joe Smoe student (and should be treated as such), when the chips are down.
I don't think the paper should coddle the players by running more flattering mugshots. I also don't think the press should pump up their exploits when it's not merited (and I think we all can find examples of cheerleader journalism in the Herald about the UND hockey team). Note to Herald editors and reporters: Leave that kind of behavior to fans like us.
As for whether other prominent officials get their mugs in the paper or not when they get in trouble with the law. I would be willing to bet they would (even for DUI) if the press found out about it. UND's public relations machine sent out a statement about the TJ Oshie incident. Kudos to UND for being forthright and honest. When most of us get in trouble, or get DUIs, I don't think our employers send out press releases on our mishaps, alerting the press.
If the Herald found out, or was tipped off, to a public official or a prominent person, UND athletes included (again, because, WE have made them stars), you can guarantee it would be on Page 1A with a jailbird mug staring right back at you. Public interest is what dictates this, and whether you like it or not, many people who don't frequent this message board but who love or hate Sioux hockey as much, want to see TJ's mug. The media feeds this interest.
Food for though.
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While they may be laying low so far on this situation, I think they played a pretty big part in last years incident. I brought them up to make a point that this town is full of shady journalism. They have good sports coverage and some decent reporters, but the majority of columnists and opinion writers leave a lot to be desired. I just get tired of this idea that everyone wants the news to be as exciting as a reality show. Just give me the facts, treat people equally and respectfully, and try not to drool on yourself when you get chosen to give details about a story like this.
I can agree with that. Thanks for the clarification. I think DAZ especially reflects the characteristics you ascribe to local media. The Herald less so. TV tends to go off half cocked on stories that aren't stories, making more of a situation than is actually there. The paper is not guiltless, but it tends to be more measured.
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No, not at all. I just find them totally unprofessional, lame, and a mockery of journalism. But this really shouldn't be a surprise to me considering GF is also home to the famous Heraldo. I know GF is a small market, but come on.
What's your point about the Heraldo? What the hell did they do? How do they enter into this all of a sudden? It's a good local paper, a lot better than others that I've had the misfortune of being stuck with.
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Don't assume anything. You know the rest of the expression, I'm sure.
So you're saying that the SWA who used to be a dI volleyball coach shouldn't have any responsibility for hiring an inexperienced volleyball coach at UND who is clearly not doing a good job? Whatever.
I never said there was any evidence of Kojich doing anything wrong. I just think in a situation where you have a SWA with such a "connection" to Twamley, perhaps it could be construed as potentially blurring the lines of who's "really" in charge? I know I'm not the only one who thinks that. As for my identity, it's none of your business. I do not, and never have worked at UND. Neither has my wife or any member of my family. That's all you need to know.
Coward.
Fred Wynne
UND alum '96
Canmore, ALT.
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Herald is reporing that Dale is gone.
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I certainly didn't mean to imply a vast conspiracy, and if I gave that impression, appreciate your giving me the opportunity to clarify that. Believe me, I'm the wrong guy to whom to try to sell conspiracies.
My mentioning the Herald was in the context of wanting to note that I think a newspaper opinion page is a friendlier environment for someone who prefers giving a speech to engaging in a debate. If applicable in this case, that would be an indictment of Ms. Hofmann, not of the Herald. Her use of their pulpit doesn't reflect any unique failing of the Herald or its editors any more than a racist posting here reflects any unique failing of SiouxSports.com or me.
Jim:
Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you. I had to go up north on business and was out of computer range. No problem at all about your first post that launched my rant. LOL. And no offense taken at all. I appreciate your comments, though, and keep up the great work on this site. I love it.
Regards,
Fred
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As PCM suggested, given that the site's target audience is Sioux fans, support for the name here is likely higher than in the general population (where it's quite high). While there are and have been plenty of people here who don't support the name, it's only reasonable to expect that any post specifically decrying the evils of the name will be met with argument.
I don't think engaging such posts with debate constitutes "verbal badgering", but will repeat my observation that a lot of people against the nickname have favored controlled mediums where they can soliloquize (e.g. Herald opinion pieces with comments turned off) over forums in which their essays may be challenged and debated.
FYI -- I do think you (and she) have your demographics wrong. The most recent informal poll of this forum indicates that 54% want to drop the name. A poll with broader participation, on the front page indicates that 23% want to drop the name immediately (it contains insufficient information to extract how many would favor dropping the name if it didn't gain tribal support).
Jim:
I tend to agree with you a lot, as you are very reasoned in your approach to things, and may I say, very fair. But, as someone who is very close to the majority of Herald staff writers and editors, I can honestly say there is no vast conspiracy about the nickname, which is what it would take to have someone actually making a conscious intentional effort to turn off certain comment lines and leave others on. I have seen examples where it may have appeared that way, especially to someone who is outside of the newsroom and who can only judge from the outside looking in. And may I say I understand this. I have complained to the newsroom Web guy during these instances, and in many cases the Webmaster on duty at the time, says "Oh sh*t, thanks I forgot. I'll get one up." Other times, I am sure I have missed, and it probably went on with out a comment line. The Web guy a lot of times is a college kid who could care less about the nickname or not as he's not an alum or from here. And he's not getting orders from higher to skew information or not print stuff because it will be damaging to the anti nickname cause.
So, basically, I am just saying that it's Webmaster error and not the diabolical conspirings of the Dr. Evil empire that is the Herald/Forum Comm upper management.
I know some of you now will post the usual, "I'm not buying it." All I have to offer you is my word, and since you don't know who I am, at least online, I guess we know what that is worth. I will say that I know many of the more frequent posters on here personally. And you know who I am, and we get a long quite well, though I've never brought up my id. I know a lot of your ids from others who have told me. Sorry. I am one of those who have close friends on both sides of the media's boundary lines. So I tend to stick up when misuderstandings may come up.
I will criticize the Herald with the rest when I think it is merited. And some of what Jim and Pat, I mean, PCM, said, I agree with very much. One example, I have differed with Tom Dennis about is the letters to the editor that he deems not printable and the ones that he things are ok. I would have allowed Sudie's letter. I don't think you can libel an entire group. That is a stretch. But PCM is correct in much of his defense. I, like him, am often the first to get after people who go overboard with attacks that can appear racist.
Cheers to all, and go Fighting Sioux forever.
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That's why I listen to left wing talk shows sometime, a good way to get your heart rate up.
Good point, Goon. Sometimes I wonder if the lefties and the righties actually believe the stuff they spew, or if they are in it for the shock value. But it does get me tuning in, that is for sure.
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Well go figure! Here I thought I was doing something entirely different. Thank you for knowing what I can't wait to do and explaining my ploys to me. I am awed by your all knowing, somewhat psychic abilities.
Now, please, excuse me while I go wipe the awe off my shoes.
Settle down. First off, this is an opinion board. And you got mine. And I got yours. I respect yours. You disagree with mine (which is deep down in your heart, in areas that you don't talk about with other Sioux fan club members, you actually love to read Yellowbird's stuff, 'cause it gets your blood boiling -- I'm the same way). And that is fine. Don't ruin your Thanksgiving weekend over it. But, a clarification is in order, I wasn't pointing out your "ploys," I was simply conveying a media industry ploy of using controversials viewpoints to generate more responses from the masses. Is that clearer now. Take a blood pressure pill, grab a blanket, put on some soothing music, and maybe next time you can read more clearly past your ire.
Fred
Canmore, Alb.
Go Sioux!
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Really?
Yup.
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Actually, she wrote a pretty good column in praise of Thanksgiving.
Sioux-cia:
Your post drips of eagerness. Like you can't wait to be outraged. It's a little ploy editorialists and talk radio hosts call "stimulating the audience" to get more responses. But, I see she hasn't done it yet to your liking. Maybe she doesn't think Archie's view points merit comment, similar to what a lot of of us on here think of her views.
PCM: Agreed. I checked it out. In fairness, it was a nice column.
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I believe she was spending her time picketing against Thanksgiving Day.
Why do you seem so eager to read such "countless, pathetic, pieces of drivel"? Fair question, I think.
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Anyone (besides PCM, who asked the question of me) wondering why there was no prior media attention or notice to a Standing Rock vote on the moniker?
Does that seem strange to anyone else? Shouldn't a vote like that be on an open records agenda? Wouldn't you expect that all voting members would have attended such an important meeting?
Where's the Fargo Forum or the GF Herald digging into history of key players of this (like they did with a state district judge)?
The Herald never dug into Jahke's history. They didn't run the story. Jacobs is on record saying the Herald never would have pursued a story like that. That was totally the Foolum's doing.... Just a clarification.
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human.
I don't advocate cutting any programs over this. But I understand human nature. When you try to help someone, you want your help to be appreciated. You don't want that person to turn around, spit in your face, and take something you cherish. It's human nature to want to revoke that help, or at least question the help, when you perceive something like that happening. I'm not saying the analogy works in this situation, but that is the perception for many and I understand where their sentiment is coming from and I do not believe it is racism. It's human nature, with a healthy dose of emotion and frustration (and some would argue ignorance about how the programs work).
But mostly, I think it's an unpersuasive argument that makes "us" look bad. I wish people on "our side" would stop making it. Those programs simply will not get cut over this.
I don't disagree with you totally.
It is human nature. But, the fact that some of us would have programs revoked in retaliation, also means we hold dearer our love for the nickname and logo over the virtues and challenges of a community of people who we purport to hold in the highest esteem. Some of us on here are little disingenuous when we claim how much we honor the Sioux people through the use of their name.
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You know what I find disappointing about the direction the debate here has taken? For years, people on this board have been saying that American Indians have much greater issues to deal with than nicknames and logos. They bring up unemployment, drug abuse, alcoholism, infant mortality, diabetes, teen pregnancy, teen suicide, lack of education, etc. So the minute that UND's nickname and logo are in danger of going away, what do we do? We threaten to take away the very programs put in place at UND that are intended to help American Indians deal with the big problems.
So what's that make us?
PCM:
You post a lot of insightful things on there all the time. But, I must say, that last post is one of your best. Thanks for injecting some civility into this debate.
Fred
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LOL i think its so funny how many people say the stuff on taht show get most of it off of ss.com. i lauaghed so haard the past halaf hour. i think dacotah huseby is as dumb as a radio host gets. she doesnt no the facats so she thinks other peopel dont no the facts. what ever she noes, everyone else should no and if someone noes more then she does, its not ture what that person noes.
Spellcheck or no. The sentiment of your post rings very true. There is a reason she is in one of the smallest radio markets in the country, and it ain't cause she's content where she's at. She is routinely outperformed and outclassed by MacNamara, who has no formal radio schooling what-so-ever. Hell, they even gave him a national Marconi award, and she still brags about her one sports reporting award she got five or so years ago for the new Ralph's grand opening. Sad.
Thank goodness she has the Herald to read from each day or else she would have no topics to discuss and no show. Mac does it too, but he makes no bones about it.
I guess that's what you get when you can't even graduate from Moo U in Fargo, right Dakota?
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I don't think you quite grasped what I was saying. But, hey, no biggie. Have a great day!
Fred Wynne
UND alumnus
Canmore, Alta.
Go Fighting Sioux!
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Priorities--that is the issue that I have and probably lots of other "whites". If the logo/name is their priority, then they have MORE issues than are preceived.
They don't seem to care as you NEVER hear anything about the issues and what they are doing about them.
Same social issues--yes, but to the alarming rates as other ethnic groups (in this state)?? You could do better than that.
Stereotyping--again another PC mantra for ignoring the real issues. By the way, you seem to have a pretty good handle on stereotyping yourself.
Again, you see this one way, and your opinion is taken under asdvisement, but I see it another and I'll leave it at that.
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The issues that I think we'll agree to disagree on is the hypocritical defenses. The Anti-Sioux crowd tends to be of one of 2 factions--PC crowd or Native Americans. Now do they have a right to their opposition--again YES. But the PC group barks at anything they deem not right or correct. The Indian oppositon is because of how they feel, and I have seen written and heard, "violated, racism, abused"...all of which are probably more than valid. BUT where is the PC/Indian crowd in voicing their concerns with the true Native American issues that have plagued generations after generations. You want to talk about hypocritical?? A name and logo are bigger issues to Native Americans than high rate of teen pregnancies, single family homes, high school drop-outs, alcoholism, should I continue? It would be refreshing to hear Jeanotte, His Horse Is Thunder and all the other Indian "leaders" address real issues with the same passion as they are in fighting the name/logo issue. But it is never as glamorous to clean one's own house as it is to try to point out the mess in someone else's house!
Agreed.
But, who am I to say what anyone should feel more worried about and what they should ignore. And who is to say that those other concerns aren't on top of their priority list. We here on this message board, for the most part, proponents of the nickname and logo, probably have no clue what American Indians are doing to combat those other social problems within their communities. Because - newsflash - we simply don't care. But, we do care about the nickname and logo issue, so it resonates more with us, and thusly, it seems to us to be all the opponents care about. Because it is the one things we truly care about that affects them.
And for what it's worth, to be a Devil's advocate for the sake of strengthening the debate, the majority community in America has the same social problems going on within it ( teen pregnancies, single family homes, high school drop-outs, alcoholism) so it could be argued that, maybe we could worry about those more important things rather than a sports moniker.
Why do we just stereotypically continue to bring up these issues and assign them only to the American Indian community when we debate this issue. It only increases the divide. I think this is the reason why Jeanotte and the nickname opponents have such a hard time with this debate -- the fact that we are more familiar with the drunken, jobless, hand-out searching, government-cheese eating Indians that our parents complained about.
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If drafted, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve.
Darn it! We're doomed.
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Oshie suspended one game
in Men's Hockey
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