82SiouxGuy

Three miles between interchanges is a long way in town. If you look at places like Fargo, Bismarck, Dickinson, Sioux Falls, and many other communities you will see interchanges at somewhere between 1 and 2 miles (most are close to a mile apart until you get toward the edges of town). They want to build up retail along the frontage roads, including the rumors about an outlet mall, and it makes it more difficult to get visitors to drive a mile or more on a frontage road to try to find a store or mall. The Merrifield exit is great to create a truck bypass over the river rather than driving through town. 47th is a better location for building the frontage road network. Both will probably happen at some point in the next 10-15 years.

The sports teams have always been known as North Dakota, as long as UND has had sports teams. Plus they had real sports nicknames in addition, names like Flickertails and Sioux, up until they were forced to quit using Sioux and forced to go without a nickname for 3 years.

That would be tough to do in hockey since I'm pretty sure the NAIA doesn't have hockey. The other choice for hockey would be club team (unless the CIS would let UND in as tSic suggested).

Here is some real clarity of though t: http://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/letters/3820660-letter-time-und-leave-tyrannical-ncaa-over-und-nickname

http://www.grandforksherald.com/opinion/featured-columnists/3820897-forum-editorial-und-dont-pander-protesters-transparent-ploy

UND is also free to use the Fighting Sioux nickname, but if they do the NCAA has a list of sanctions that would be imposed.

You are not allowed to shot "fire in a crowded theater" because that could cause harm to others if it caused a panic. That is a completely different situation. Better examples of speech that can be limited would be schools limiting articles that are printed in the school newspaper because the administration found them objectionable, and not allowing students to make an obscene speech at a school sponsored event. Both of these were upheld by the courts.

The message from the NCAA was that they wouldn't force UND to choose a nickname as a part of the settlement agreement; but if they don't choose a nickname and others complain, then the NCAA will impose sanctions against UND. They didn't make that threat if UND chooses a nickname. Choosing a nickname shows that UND is making an effort to move on to a new nickname. Choosing to go without a nickname does not show the same level of commitment to moving away from the Fighting Sioux name.

The fact that the NCAA has chosen not to use the settlement agreement to force UND to pick a name does not prove that we were wrong in believing that the NCAA could have made that choice. They found an easier way to get what they want. They have already stated that they will enforce sanctions if they believe fans using the name is a problem. This is a group that set up sanctions against every school in the state of South Carolina because there was a single confederate flag flown in a corner of the state capital grounds. They have the power and the will to create sanctions when, and for whatever they want. They have already given a broad idea of the reasons they will use. Giving them a reason to put UND back on sanctions, when they have already said that was an option for them, is pure foolishness.

Try a little critical thinking. How many Division I football conferences cover territory anywhere near Idaho? The answer would seem to be the Pac 12, Mountain West, and Big Sky. What are the chances of Idaho getting into the Pac 12? None. What are the chances of Idaho getting into the Mountain West? Probably pretty slim. What other current FBS conference is any where near Idaho? None. Therefore, for Idaho to be in a conference with geographic integrity and also get the big payouts of being FBS, the most likely scenario would be to have at least a part of the Big Sky move to FBS. That's why GeauxSioux suggested that it sounds a lot like what SiouxVolley has been talking about.

It will be the administration from another school complaining to the NCAA, not the fans from that school.

Dickeys had a drive thru as far as I know. The only time I went there I went through the drive thru.

The TV viewing numbers for college wrestling could be EPIC, ... said no one ever.

Most large organizations aren't going to issue what amounts to be a legal opinion about a hypothetical situation. The NCAA has always been careful about those situations. I would be shocked if the NCAA answered the question and have said so before. But I haven't had an opportunity to ask anyone whether the NCAA has been asked or not. But any official correspondence or communication in a written or electronic form would be available through FOIA requests.

Where is your concrete evidence?

You have a nice double standard. You want concrete evidence from everyone else, but you haven't provided any concrete evidence that the NCAA won't slap sanctions on UND. Just because they haven't so far doesn't mean that they don't have the ability to do so, and doesn't mean that they won't in the future. You provide some concrete evidence that the NCAA either can't or won't decide to sanction UND if they permanently go without a nickname and we can continue the discussion. Otherwise you are just spouting your own opinion, and not even admitting it is just an opinion.

It mentioned nothing about the nickname part of the issue. The addendum only applies to the specific issues that were addressed in the addendum. You can't extrapolate the addendum to address everything else. So no, it did not explicitly remove UND from sanctions. It says that UND will not be on sanctions if they follow the settlement agreement as amended to include the changes in what can be displayed at REA.

Sorry, there is a major difference marketing and branding one of the best known schools in the country, and a smaller state school that is much less well known. Also, that well known school has been branding that school name and image for more than 100 years, while UND is trying to rebrand after losing the Fighting Sioux nickname.

The Settlement Agreement was amended to change the terms regarding the display of Fighting Sioux imagery within Ralph Engelstad Arena. The purpose of the Addendum was not to remove UND from sanctions.

Pay attention to more than hockey. I've listed a lot of reasons in other threads that explain why UND should have a nickname. A few of those include marketing and branding; something that can be used for cheers, chants, songs; creating an identity that current and future students can identify with, etc. This discussion is about other potential issues. This penalty is written into the Settlement Agreement. The NCAA would not have to adopt a new rule, and they wouldn't have to apply this to any other schools. We've even had a real attorney say that this is a possibility. So forgive me if I decide not to take your legal advice.

Not nearly as preposterous as this entire conversation.

The logo was created approximately 2000. The traditional ceremony that has been discussed happened in 1969. The ceremony had nothing to do with the logo. The logo itself doesn't have any significant meaning to the majority of tribe members. They may like it, but it doesn't have any deep meaning to them. Actually, since a Chippewa designed it there are a lot of Sioux tribe members that don't like it. Yes, if people have a chance to buy Sioux stuff, a significant group of them will buy that and not accept a new nickname and logo. If it is not available some of those people will buy the new nickname and logo. That group is totally separate from the group that will buy the new stuff no matter what, or the group that will never buy the new stuff. The Standing Rock Tribal Council has been officially against UND using the Fighting Sioux nickname since at least 1992. They wouldn't even take phone calls on the subject after the NCAA policy was put in place in 2005. They were asked about whether they wanted money, they said that it would be selling out to take money in return for use of their name. The Standing Rock Tribal Council had no interest in allowing UND use of the name for any reason.

ScottM is an actual attorney. He has shown in the past that he has a good understanding of legal issues. You don't seem to have a very good grasp of the law. You have no idea what the attorneys on either side anticipated or understood at the time of the agreement. It is possible that the NCAA knew that if UND went without a nickname they would have a group of fans trying to keep the Native American nickname alive and in unofficial use. They probably knew that because people at Marquette have tried to keep an old Native American nickname alive long after it was changed. Furthermore, they would like to eliminate the use of such nicknames and imagery as much as possible. Picking an actual new nickname would go further to decrease use of the old nickname than going without a nickname. I think I will go with Scott on this one.

Have you read the Settlement Agreement? You keep going on and on about it, but it doesn't sound like you have actually read it. In Section 2 d (page 5) it plainly states that if UND does not adopt a new nickname and logo then UND will be returned to the list of institutions subject to the Policy. The Policy refers to the policy against the use of Native American nicknames and imagery that was announced on August 5, 2005. That is the rule being violated, it's actually a clause in a contract between UND and the NCAA, and that is what UND agreed to when they signed the Settlement Agreement. I didn't imagine the Settlement Agreement.