i prefer tim to pat mostly because tim follows the play 10000x's better than pat does...but the one thing that drives me up a wall with tim is his constant constant constant bitching about the officials...i've done the tv down/radio up version of the game enough times to say that a majority of the time he's just bitching....and this is in NO WAY a defense of the WCHA officials..they are, for the most part, hacks...but when tim and tim get together, it's as if they should be drug into the street and shot!!