GeauxSioux
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Since I resemble that remark...
What do you expect us to say? They were idiots. Well meaning idiots, but idiots nonetheless. IMO, and you're welcome to disagree of course, they broke the letter but not the spirit of the open meeting laws. I would suggest that those laws are to prevent decisions from being made out of public view. In this case, it appears that no decisions were made, nor were any even considered. Beyond that, there wasn't even any discussion between the commissioners. NDSU officials said their peace, a few questions were asked, and everyone went their seperate ways. Still, everyone agrees that one of the commissioners should have walked away prior to the meeting. The unfortunate timing and circumstances involved provide a reason, but not an excuse. It really was bad luck that Coates arrived only moments before Chapman ushered them in. I do believe one of them would have left if they would have had a couple of minutes to discuss it. Again, it's a reason, not an excuse.
They also should have come clean immediately after the meeting rather than waiting until Williams decided to score a few points against the FD arena proposal. By laying low, they damaged their credibility. OTOH, I've lost far more respect for Williams than for Coates, Wimmer or Walaker. Williams was told of the meeting within days, but he sat on it until the 90-day reporting window had passed. Then he leaked it to the High Plains Reader. It appears that he wanted to embarass the others and the arena proposal without being involved in an AG investigation. Too self serving for my tastes.
Whether you believe the version of events as layed out by Coates and co. probably depends on your views towards Fargo, NDSU, and "Imperial" Cass. If you dislike them, you'll probably see some form of conspiracy or other lying involved. If you support one or more of those three, like myself, you'll regard it as an unintended, if foolish, mistake. You make the call.
Some light reading:
The HPR article that started it all(8 March): Behind Closed Doors
The Forum's initial article(10 March): Fargo commissioners met illegally
Linda Coates' version of events(10 March): The Meeting
Forum Editorial(14 March): Violation damaged credibility
He was told of the meeting, but was he told of the quorum? If not, he would have no reason to think anything inappropriate had happened.
In the days following the meeting, I spoke with both Mike Williams and Tim Mahoney, and told them of our meeting (I can't remember if I mentioned the unintended quorum or not) and told them that they might want to meet with President Chapman themselves to hear what he had to say on the matter. As I recall, Mike said something like, "That's ok, I don't need to meet with him," and Tim said that he would try to meet with him at some point. -
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U of Illinois board ends use of Chief Illiniwek logo and
The University of Illinois swept aside the last vestiges of Chief Illiniwek this morning, voting to retire the mascot's name, regalia and image.The resolution lets Chancellor Richard Herman decide the details such as how and when the Chief Illiniwek name and image would stop being used and licensed to apparel makers and others
All but gone.
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I'm more interested in getting this behind us rather then fighting about it. Even if we win the lawsuit, there is nothing to keep other AD's from refusing to play UND. And, as I said earlier, we don't have the Native Americans solidly behind us. I feel it is time to focus on the D1 move up. The money going to fight the name change might just come in handy when we have to pony up $250,000 for an initiation fee. I know,it's a "separate" fund drive, but lets face it, money is money. I say finding a meaningful conference (or two) is more important.
In review of your posts to date, it is difficult to see you as a UND supporter. Your posts have included "change the name", "pathetic" in your description of MBB and seeing "disaster ahead" in your view of the move to Division I. I know that we don't all have to be rah-rah people, but either you are a closet NDSU supporter or one of the biggest negative nellies around. I don't find too many Sioux fans who would say
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But, SiouxMD is allowing for a choice between the "Big Dance" or winning #8 in hockey.
I am curious...would UND fans be willing to give up Championship #8 for a trip to the "Big Dance"? How much would it take?Remember...there can be no #9, #10, #11, etc without #8 (ie UND never wins another DI Hockey Championship in exchange for one of the above options).
If given the choice between an appearance at the Big Dance and #8 in hockey, I would have to choose hockey, because after #8 comes the 9,10, 11 ....
UND will never win the NC in MBB. It isn't out of the realm of possibilities for an appearance at the Big Dance, but that is not worth a NC in hockey to me.
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Brazilian imports boost North Dakota
Ferreria had never been to North Dakota, or even the United States, before he arrived on campus in 2003."It was pretty scary," said Ferreria. "I didn't think a place could be so cold. People here are really nice and friendly, so it was really good.
Since Sampaio became head coach in the 2001-02 season, North Dakota has won 24 individual NCAA titles, more than doubling its previous total of 23 throughout the team's history. The men's squad has finished at least third in the team standings in each of the last five years with a second-place finish in 2002, while the women have placed at least seventh during that time, including fourth place last year. Ferreria knows there is some tough competition ahead, but he is optimistic about his team's chances at the Division II Championships on March 14-17 at the Flickinger Center in Buffalo, N.Y.Good luck to both the men's and women's teams!
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Thanks for the updates. We were walking out the door earlier and weren't able to listen.
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26 UND
19 MSU
~7:00
EDIT: Whoops...
31 UND
17 MSU
Any updates?
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Okay, this isn't really about the Sioux name, but Fighting Sioux name is mentioned.
Hunchback comment just latest slur from sport knuckleheads
So I was saying to golfer Billy Mayfair last summer, a couple of weeks after his surgery for testicular cancer ..."Billy," I said, "is that a two-stroke penalty for a lost ball, or what?"
There is far too much sensitivity out there, these days, and people just don't have a sense of humour any more.Like the native Americans who have been protesting for decades against college and professional sports teams with nicknames like Redskins, Braves, Indians, Redmen, and Fighting Sioux.
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Looks like the project is really taking shape. I've heard differing dates for the opening, from Spring 2007 to Fall 2007. Does anybody know when the scheduled completion date is?
We're coming to GF in July and hope it is ready.
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The school already has received about 4,000 pages of documents from the NCAA, most of which were at one time available on the association's Web site, Anderson said.
Corwin said UND has requested about 80 more entire categories of documents, comprising many thousands of pages. He said many of those documents are only marginally relevant to the nickname case and publicly disclosing them would leave the NCAA very little room to operate as a private association.
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Congratulations to the Bison and Jacks on their new football home.
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Does anyone else think this headline is extremely misleading? When I read it on front of this morning's Herald, I immediately wondered what sealed documents the NCAA wanted. Then I read the story and learned it's the NCAA that wants to seal some of its documents. The headline is accurate, but any headline that can be read two different ways to have opposite meanings is a poorly written headline.
I thought the same thing. The word "sealed" should be at the end.
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NCAA wants sealed court documents
The NCAA will ask a Grand Forks Circuit Court judge on Wednesday to shield documents from public view in its court case against UND over the Fighting Sioux nickname."I don't think the court has the authority to make that information not publicly available," Stenehjem said. "Also, I think it's bad public policy. A large part of our complaint has to do with the fact that most of what the NCAA did is not transparent. Now, (as if) to further demonstrate my belief, they've asked us to enter into a broad confidentiality agreement." -
However, the University of Minnesota will not compete against the University of North Dakota because of their Sioux nickname, fearing some Native Americans would be offended.
The University of Minnesota is willing to deeply offend Catholics, but not other groups. The conclusion is that the school administration holds an anti-Catholic bias.
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Gothmog, do you live in the Cities? If so, perhaps you and MplsBison could go out for a drink after work and discuss the merits of UND/NDSU scheduling.
Sorry, just having some fun.
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Blackhawks need No. 1 center above anything else
Jonathan Toews could then be slotted into the No. 3 center spot to start the season and ease his way into the NHL without the pressure of having to carry the offensive load. The Hawks expect Toews, the third pick in the 2006 draft, to leave the University of North Dakota after this, his sophomore season. -
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Sorry for making y'all feel cold with a picture of the Gulf a couple of weeks ago. Is this any better?
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I'm starting to believe that some Bison fans would like to see this thread continue until the two teams do play each other. I think that it is safe to say that it isn't going to happen until 2009 at the earliest. If it isn't in the best interest of both schools it isn't going to happen. I have no problem with that. Can we bury this thread until such time as they do play each other?
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Great response PCM. I checked the Argus Leader this morning and didn't see it, but it would be a little hard to get in that quick. I'm just hoping that it gets in.
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Illiniwek isn't only offensive mascot
Now that the NCAA has finally had its way, it's time for all minorities to take a stand against the insensitivity brought on by mascots and nicknames.If the University of Illinois can't have Chief Illiniwek, Notre Dame should retire the leprechaun and Texas should put Bevo out to pasture.
Certainly, Georgia must allow its bulldog to beg for treats instead of being paraded around a football field and Air Force needs to let the poor falcon fly off into the wild blue yonder.
While the University of Illinois finally bowed to pressure and has banned Chief Illiniwek, a tradition at the Champaign-based school for nearly a century, the same group of NCAA characters has given its okeydokey to Seminoles (Florida State), Chippewas (Central Michigan), Choctaws (Mississippi State) and Sioux (University of North Dakota).Huh?
Article about Great West, Gateway, & others
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Please provide link or quote stating that UND would have a conference lined up before making the move to Division I. I mean besides one from Bisonville.