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An astute observer would point out that the real reason for the SCSU protests was to draw attention away from SCSU's record of racial and religious intolerance on their campus. Have you ever seen any of those protests? The best way to describe them is "underwhelming". They couldn't be bothered enough to educate themselves on the issue so that they could get their chant right ("people not mascots" - although UND does not have a mascot). When talking about the average person, we are obviously talking about the average person after having the facts laid out before them. Do you honestly believe that the average person, when informed of the Summit's position and of the existing agreement with the NCAA on the issue would think the Summit is being reasonable? Really?!? Knowing, of course, that all the statistically relevant polling on the issue of schools with indian monikers has shown that a very strong majority has no problem with them. You are foolish not to yield the point. The reference to Chamberlain is relevant - both of you hope that by giving in to an unreasonable bully, that bully will then ask no more from you. I find your apologist defense of Douple to be nothing short of viscerally repugnant. Be careful of what you wish for - without emotion, there would be very little donation to UND period. I've got news for you, you are never going to convince me that the Summit's position is reasonable - relevant historical evidence shows that it is not. You obviously do not agree. We are just going to have to accept that neither of us will be moved on that point. You should know by now, however, that anyone that has "MplsBison" on their side is treading on very thin ice indeed.

Small talk from someone who has nothing to back it up. You should be demanding of your AD, your president and the Summit league office that an invitation be extended to UND regardless of the nickname "issue". That is unless you are nothing but a UND hating troll with an ulterior motive.

Self inflicted.

I'm not "demanding" the Summit do anything - I am simply pointing out that their demands are unreasonable because there is no basis in rationality. The SCSU protests were organized by to what is tantamount to being SCSU. UMN has not been forced to deal with anything because of the UND moniker - if they've done something, it's because they've interjected themselves officiously and gratuitously (as they are so wont to do). The Summit looks foolish to the average person now, and it didn't stop them from making their moronic stance. You should be quoting a British PM in your sig line, but it shouldn't be Churchill.

Since the moniker became an "issue", UND has been a member of several athletic conferences. There has never been any evidence to show that it was something with which any of those league offices or league member schools (including the current ones) have had to deal in even the slightest way imaginable. This is why the Summit's position is unreasonable - it has no basis in reality. Say UND does knuckle under to the bully and agrees to the only solution available by shortening the time line (agreeing to drop the name). Why does anyone think it unlikely that they will then say, "hold it - you haven't picked a new name, so it still isn't resolved - can't accept your application until you have a new name"? Will we then knuckle under again and rush to pick a new sure to be completely inane name? Probably. And once having done so, why would anyone think it unlikely that they will then say. "hold it - we don't like that name, so it still isn't resolved - can't accept your application until we've picked a name for you"? You don't stop a bully by giving in to him - instead, you only end up further empowering him. UND is a flagship state university with excellent facilities. It has important historical ties with the best of the Summit's current membership. That - by any reasonable and objective standard - should be more than enough. Fans from NDSU and SDSU should demanding of their AD, their president and the Summit league office that an invitation be extended to UND regardless of the nickname "issue". That is for more reasonable than demanding of UND and its fans that they "resolve" (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean) the name "issue" so that their application will be accepted.

Don't fool yourself - Whiskey Joe has never had any room in his heart for anything other than Whiskey Joe.

You know, it wasn't all that long ago that UND was in the same conference as SDSU (NCC). I certainly don't remember any issues that the NCC league office had to deal with because of the nickname squabble. I don't remember any Brookings incident because of it either. So why the hell does anyone think it would be such a big damned deal now?

The vast majority of people think the other way - that there is nothing wrong with "Fighting Sioux" and those that agree with trying to force it being changed are a very tiny minority (ultra PC wackos) - therefore, there has been no net negative publicity, nor shall there be in the future.

Yeah, like Gene Roebuck.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

If the Summit believes that the benefit UND brings vs. the opposition is significantly affected by the nickname, the conference's leadership is so poor as to render them incompetent and brings into question the wisdom of joining such a conference.

With the "core" requirement now going away, it will be interesting to see what conference realignments and expansion opportunities develop as a result. Patience may be rewarded.

Your conclusion that UND basketball, volleyball, softball, etc. success = belonging to the Summit and only the Summit is not fact, but merely your opinion. Your conclusion that UND basketball, volleyball, softball, etc. belonging to the Summit and UND being the Sioux are mutually exclusive is not fact, but merely your opinion. Further commentary by the Summit on UND membership and its moniker is conspicuous by its absence. Could it be that the Summit has backed away from their ridiculous ultimatum, realizing that it was born out of bad-mouthing by a member school's now totally discredited administration and that UND already has a deadline they've negotiated with the NCAA?

The Summit does not sponsor football. How many at large teams have made the NCAA basketball tournament from the Summit (or whatever it has been called before becoming "the Summit")?

South club lounge (end Sioux shoot at twice); 2 seats each night; "bar stool" (end of row) seating; bench side of the ice; great seats; 2 free beverages per person (before drop of the puck), including all beers and any mixed drink that can be made with the spirit specially selected for the night; includes use of parking pass; in-seat drink service; free pre-packaged popcorn, chips, etc. and canned pop throughout the game (while it lasts - usually something left at the end of the game, I believe); another 2 standing room "seats" available (since the bar stool seats are the top row, all four in your party can be in immediate proximity of one another); $240 total or best offer for both seats, both nights. The Ralph changed the price from last year for the SRO - they are now $15 over an adult GA ticket ($40 each) - If you want one or more of these as well, it will be in addition to the $240 listed above. If you already have GA ticket ($25 each for adults, $15 each for youths, and $7 for students), it's my understanding that you can use that in order to gain admittance to the club as a "guest" (SRO) if you buy the regular club seats. One guest allowed per regular club seat, so you save at least $15 per SRO that way. PM me if interested. Thanks

You know, your holier-than-thou act is getting really, really old - but that's probably your intention.

Um, yeah, that'd be sarcasm, but thanks for showing up and beating your chest - really quite impressive.

Saturday tix gone.

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South club lounge (end Sioux shoot at twice); 2 seats each night; "bar stool" (end of row) seating; bench side of the ice; great seats; 2 free beverages per person (before drop of the puck), including all beers and any mixed drink that can be made with the spirit specially selected for the night; includes use of parking pass; in-seat drink service; free pre-packaged popcorn, chips, etc. and canned pop throughout the game (while it lasts - usually something left at the end of the game, I believe); another 2 standing room "seats" available (since the bar stool seats are the top row, all four in your party can be in immediate proximity of one another); $280 total or best offer for both seats, both nights. The Ralph changed the price from last year for the SRO - they are now $15 over an adult GA ticket ($45 each) - If you want one or more of these as well, it will be in addition to the $280 listed above. If you already have GA ticket ($30 each for adults, $15 each for youths, and $7 for students), it's my understanding that you can use that in order to gain admittance to the club as a "guest" (SRO) if you buy the regular club seats. One guest allowed per regular club seat, so you save at least $15 per SRO that way. PM me if interested. Thanks

FSSN is on!

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Tonight's tickets are gone.

Did you see and follow up on the third post on this thread?