UNDlaw80
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49 minutes ago, 1972 said:
And yet I'm sure you were fine with3 plus years of every Democrat crying about the 2016 election results and throwing everything at the wall to try to get something to stick.
Politics is politics. But at least there existed verifiable evidence that Russia interfered in our election. The GOP-led senate committee on intelligence even agreed as such. They verified that it occurred.
On the other hand, here we are two weeks past the election and Trump is still claiming victory without providing a single shred of evidence to the court that he won. As previously stated, he’s purposely undermining the faith in our democratic process for his own benefit.
It’s time for the grown-ups in the GOP to end this charade.
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59 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:
The citizens most sacred right. equal votes. Philly denied equal under the PA legislature. A judge and Commissioner changed the rules illegally.
Correct. For once Trump’s argument has some merit here. That said, a solid argument could be made either way. It all comes down to the right of the SoS to require implementation of the procedure.
We’ll see. Either way, it'll only change a handful of votes.But it’s odd you mention the sanctity of voting. Trump, with his mountain of frivolous lawsuits, is attempting to discredit millions of citizens’ votes.
I could understand if his team was making legitimate arguments; but they’re not. They're throwing everything at the wall to see if it sticks and Trump is getting his *** handed to him because these suits are so ridiculous.
Trump has every legal right to do as such, but it just shows where his allegiances lie. I mean even Hillary never went anywhere close this. -
20 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:
The complaint is unequal treatment under A14. Philadelphia County voters got calls to come in and repair their mail in ballots. Other counties did not. And, the calls were before election day and none of those "come fix" ballots should've been reviewed until election day. So, how do you know who do call (before election day) when you're not supposed to do anything with the ballots until election day.
Yep. That's what they're arguing now. It's vastly different from their initial complaint. Obviously they had no evidence whatsoever and had to 'amend'. But even if Trump somehow manages a victory here, the number of ballots is insignificant. He's done in PA.
And that goes to my point. What's actually occurring on the ground doesn't match, in any way, shape or form, the outrageous PR accusations of Trump, his lawyers, and fringe-right media. It's actually amusing to see his base get worked up over it. But that was the plan from day 1.
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24 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:
Withdrew? I read they amended the claims to be tighter and more focused.
That's lawyer speak for "we had nothing". .
Go read the amended complaint, it's accessible online. Trump's lawyers literally dropped (sorry 'amended') most of their main allegations. Their main argument now is that Dem voters received preferential treatment as it pertains to defective ballots.
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1 hour ago, sioux rube said:
Nothing to see here
Why are these conspiracy theories circulating Right-Wing media rarely, if ever, brought into court?
Surely individuals on the fringe-right have some understanding of the divide between Trump and his lawyers’ PR attack, and what they’re actually arguing, right? Despite the 'biggest fraud ever' rhetoric (and mountains of accusations), his team is basically arguing technicalities in front of judges.
I mean Team Trump just withdrew their main argument in PA that GOP election officials were denied access to the monitoring process.-
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2 hours ago, Goon said:
I agree with Glen Beck, no one ever has to face the music.
Is this regarding election fraud?
I understand the PR aspect "We have evidence!!", "no accountability" Yea ok. But have you actually read what Trump is bringing into court? He's getting ***** slapped because he has nothing. Law firms are dropping him, and lawyers (to not perjure themselves) are admitting their evidence is not evidence of fraud.
Appears as if this is the next big "scandal". Some weird accusation that voting information was altered overseas. And guess what, Trump won in a landslide! California is solid red! lol
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10 hours ago, Bison06 said:
12%? seems the number is higher than that and has been drifting more conservative for a decade. You say that the GOP has to take notice and change, who are they losing? They’ve gained traction in minority communities.
Republicans are gaining minimal traction with blacks. Hell, Trump lost because of the black vote. I said it a million times, the high black turnout in major cities would swing the election. And it did.
I do believe minorities would be open to conservative policy (particularly traditional fiscal policy). I see elements knocking at the door. But Trumpism is blocking the way. If the party wants to make significant in-roads, it's gonna need to ostracize the radical elements who Trump panders to. The same scenario is occurring with the left. As such I thoroughly believe both parties undergo some kind of transformation in the coming decade.
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9 hours ago, Nodak78 said:
How long before you condemn BLM/Antifa in Portland give me a break.
I’ve always condemned violence. This includes Antifa/BLM.
That said, I’m not in the gullible Trump camp who use Antifa as a scare tactic. They're not gonna take over the world and rape your daughters in a Biden presidency.Regardless, all violence needs to be condemned, no matter who purpurates it. Perhaps some of you should start doing the same.
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2 hours ago, SiouxBoys said:
There are plenty of videos of stuff going on before this, but you do you.
My point stands. Everybody partaking in violence should be condemned. Antifa, MAGA, blm, whoever. Anyone with a pulse knew these dipshits were gonna start fighting with eachother.
Unfortunately the Trump Zombies live in a parallel universe where only Antifa is violent. They take their cue from their master.
Go get ‘em Trumpsters! Keep the dream alive!!
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6 hours ago, Nodak78 said:
Here is the difference between the MAGA nut cases as you say and the thugs Antifa/BLM. Is if you didn't know.
Gimme a break. The MAGA idiots are pulling the same crap. Appears as if they instigated this fiasco by charging at the Antifa idiots. America's finest, all around.
But whatever, you Cult Zombies will always support your own.
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4 hours ago, Bison06 said:
What modification do you anticipate? As long as Georgia stays red in the senate, this election was a win for conservatism. America spoke pretty clearly, they like conservative policies, but dislike trump. Gaining a huge percentage of black men during this election was a coup for the right. I don’t see the GOP needing to change, I see the democrats needing to focus the attention more on its moderate members and telling the squad to go kick rocks.
12% of black men voted for Trump. That’s a thoroughly awful number.
Regardless, this election was both a refutation of the Left and a refutation of Trump. But I'm not sold on the results validating current GOP policy. Imo, voters thought conservative policy was the lesser of the evils.
Trump is half-conservative, full-on Cult of Personality. Other than a handful of political ideologies, the ethos of Trumpism is predicated on identity. . Trump's a salesman who plays his base like a fiddle; meanwhile he's expanded government, raised taxes, and is one of the biggest spenders ever. He’s undermined free markets and raised tariffs (which manifest itself in more taxes). I mean he’s been forced to spend billions of taxpayer money to subsidize farmers to keep their support because his tariffs ****ed them over. He's alienated our allies. He's mainlining foreign workers into the country under H2A program. Worst of all, the GOP has lost all moral high-ground due to how he conducts himself. As such, the radical right-wing nutcases are drawn to him.
It may take some time, but the GOP will eventually take the Trump Trash to the garbage can. It's the only way the GOP will survive the oncoming demographic upheaval in 20 years. I think minorities would welcome conservative policy (particularly fiscal policy), but not en masse with Trumpism at the helm. Trumpism is the refutation of this inevitable social shift. I mean Jesus Christ the Cult is still waiving confederate flags and Trump rallies are nothing but 24/7 vitriol.
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2 hours ago, MafiaMan said:
First Hillary and her “basket of deplorables” and now you. You people truly hate literally half of America.
Since when do these people represent ‘half of America’? These nutjobs are the radical elements of the Right, drawn to Trumpism.
Shows where your allegiances lie. But in the real world, these inbreds don’t represent conservatives or conservatism.When Trump is thrown out on his ass, the Republican party is likely to undergo modification. The Trump Trash will continue espousing their little man syndrome, reality TV mentality and Qanon conspiracies; meanwhile the rest of the party will return to respectable conservatism.
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At today's 'Million MAGA March" in DC. These nutcases are no different than Antifa. Only difference is, unlike these inbreds at a pro-Trump rally, you're unlikely to find Antifa at pro-Biden events.
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31 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:
Bump ^^^
Great find, is the machine breaking down?
T has to be under an enomous amount of stress.Trump is just doing what he's always done when faced with a challenge, he bullies his adversaries into submission with lawsuits. Unfortunately for him, this isn't the business world. You can't bully people's right to vote with frivolous legal action.
Meanwhile, Snell & Wilmer (the largest law firm representing Trump in AZ) just dropped him. Looks like they've had enough of this ridiculousness
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Trump's charade is some of the most farcical **** I've ever seen in my life.
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8 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:
Arizona will have some election #'s tonight.
Speaking of AZ,
Trump Campaign Lawyer Admits to Judge: Our Search for Evidence of Fraud Produced Obvious Lies and ‘Spam’
When the numbers come out John McCain will be laughing his *** off from above.
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1 hour ago, Goon said:
You will wear your mask and like it. I am thinking walking the dog or exercising outside doesn't apply to this rule.
I could see the public not responding well to this rule. I am not anti-mask, but it's not the job of law enforcement to running around checking people for wearing masks. Lots of other stuff going on. From the meeting: Mayor Bochenski doesn't support charging people with a misdemeanor for not wearing their face mask.
Does the county provide free masks? Does everybody have easy access to them? If not, this proposal is beyond unethical. I hate the notion that a person can be arrested for not wearing something that 1. needs to be purchased; or 2. isn’t necessarily easily obtainable for every citizen (even if free of charge).
In many ways it's similar to voting ID's. Unless IDs are easily obtainable for everybody and free of charge, requiring them to vote is essentially a poll tax.
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4 hours ago, Goon said:
This is big.
What's so big about it?
SCOTUS should overturn it. But even if it doesn't, it only affects 3,000-5,000 ballots. This literally changes nothing.
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44 minutes ago, SiouxForever said:
Instead of being arrogant, why don’t you just let it play out.
There's nothing arrogant about that comment. The truth is reflected in the court's decisions on what Trump has deemed evidence of fraud. The truth isn't propaganda and unsubstantiated "just wait, it's coming!" "biggest scandal of all time!" reporting from right-wing rags with a clear agenda.
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2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:
You're misreading.
He's creating cover for R legislatures in key states to review the election and then declare their own slate of electors.
50 minutes ago, jdub27 said:Talk about undermining the will of the people and removing any faith there would be in any presidential election going forward.
Yea I don't see that happening.
As we're witnessing now, the longer this drags out the more Republicans are coming out telling Trump it's over.
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Here's the latest GOP voter lawsuit in Georgia.
https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/11/1.pdf
Jesus Christ this is getting ridiculous. This will be thrown out like all the rest. What a waste of the court's time.
The longer Trump promotes his "I've been robbed" message, the more I’m convinced it’s a money grab. Read the small print on his donation site, folks. He’s keeping this charade going to grift the Cult into paying off his campaign debt. I mean seriously, considering the nature of these lawsuits, there's no other explanation for it. -
3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:
The statistic is something like 70% of R voters believe 'irregularities' took place.
That kind of number (50 million voters or so) questioning the system is not good for the country.
The processes needs to follow through. Recounts. Claims investigated. Do I believe it'll turn the called election? No, I don't.(More on called in a minute.) But following the process and investigating the claims is a step to restoring trust and faith in the system. And without that faith in the system we have nothing. And if you believe you are the legitimate winner you should be out front calling for the recounts and investigations to confirm the legitimacy.
A lack of faith exists because politicians (both left and right) verbally undermine the integrity of the electoral process for political purposes. Now more than ever.
Sure irregularities exist, but, in the general sense, our elections are exceedingly fair. This has been proven time and time again.
Of course abnormalities need to be investigated, however this can be achieved without politicians screaming “rigged” at the top of their lungs 24/7. It's a talking point nowadays, and everybody henceforth falls in line to back their respective side.
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16 minutes ago, bison73 said:
If you dont think the Dems wouldnt rig an election ask Bernie Sanders. As a matter of fact ask him twice.
Speaking of Bernie, he read Trump like a book. Even predicted the states.
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4 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said:
She "conceded" but her, along with many prominent dems, and media types, spent 4 years spreading Russia conspiracy theories and calling the dude's presidency "illegitimate" and asserting he somehow stole the election.
They have no leg to stand on here. Zero.
He should concede but its not like it changes much of anything.
Politics is politics, but at least solid evidence existed to pursue such an avenue. The GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee eventually concluded that Russia did disrupt our election to help Trump, Russia found some in Trump's campaign easily manipulated, and, although he didn't partake in Russian interference (no collusion), Trump was well aware of what Russia was attempting.
If Trump can find something as shady with the Dems, yes it's henceforth apples to apples. Unfortunately for President Cheeto, his lawsuits have thus far resembled a 3:00am rerun of Night Court. And so have his juvenile meltdowns.
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2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)
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Likely because our intelligence agencies have a better handle on the situation this time around, and Russia is keenly aware of this.
U.S. national security officials have repeatedly expressed confidence in the integrity of the election. And they report little actual election meddling of consequence from Moscow outside of disinformation operations. There have been phishing attempts aimed at breaking into the networks of political campaigns, operatives and think tanks, but no indication that valuable political information was stolen. That’s in contrast to the 2016 Russian hack-and-leak operation that U.S. officials say was aimed at boosting Donald Trump’s campaign.
So far the biggest attack has come from Iran.
So far, the highest-profile foreign meddling incident has been by Iran — a ham-fisted, quickly detected operation in which some Democratic voters received emails threatening them if they didn’t vote for Trump. U.S. officials said Iranians spoofed the sender addresses, purporting to be from the far-right Proud Boys.
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-russia-elections-local-governments-voting-2020-1b900a5f9e8cfd32d238899b1f1fb158