The Sicatoka
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I think we need to be careful with this. ...
I've said more than once that we're all just a lawn mower toss away from the next problem.
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Your wrong on that. This story will never go away. It is forever going to be a running joke.
Are you saying this is something they've signed onto for a while? Call it a signature moment for their program?
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This will go away faster than anybody on Siouxsports thinks.
... only to rear its head when the Legislature starts back in session. Why?
- the move to tougher the voter fraud laws from A misdemeanors to C felonies
- the move to re-write and clarify the laws about how signature gatherers can be paid
- and "Carlson's Cadre" will surely use this in their quest to undermine the powers of the ND SBoHE
Book it. Bank it.
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For the record, let's get the quote as listed in the newspaper:
“I don’t think they were smart enough or grown up enough or sophisticated enough to understand” -- Judge Douglas Herman describing NDSU Bison football players.
Accuracy and all, you know.
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But, when I listen to the AD - I don't hear an apology. I only hear an excuse. Am I the only one that hears it this way.. time clip - 7:00 to 8:13 is when the AD is supposed to apologize.
I guess I can't disagree with your assessment.
Here is a link to the press conference from NDSU tonight: http://www.grandfork...170/group/News/
Watching that link I see another epic VMeister/Answer Guy film production in the future.
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Doubt it, but it could make it easier to go after Terra Strategies.
I'm not an attorney, but under the present law I think Terra is in the safe part of the grey area. They can claim they didn't pay "per signature" (illegal) but merely incentivised their system for high performers.
I think that question of law (namely, is Terra's system legal) will be clarified in the coming Legislature.
And I think voter fraud such as this will probably end up as C felony instead of today's A misdemeanor.
But like I've said, Terra may, may, have made an illegal offer, but the footballers didn't have to take it and end up in this mess. What'd NDSU's footballers do? I'll use the judge's words: not smart, not grown up, not sophisticated.
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This discussion would not be on the main board at bisonville.
You mean the thread not in the Bisonville football forum, or the thread not in the Bisonville Bison commons forum? Which one of those two that are both on the main board at Bisonville would not be on the main board at Bisonville?
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These folks have all just pled guilty to a class A misdemeanor.
Doesn't that open themselves up to a civil case from the groups that lost money due to the (now admittedly) illegal activities? There are a couple groups out six-figures of dollars. Won't they come after these guys and didn't these guys just make it very easy for those groups to win a civil judgment?
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From NDSU's statement:
I believe Mr. Taylor would now like to offer an apology for his unfortunate and misleading statement on the field moments after an emotional victory over FBS-level Colorado State University. He immediately recognized not only his mistake, but the terrible slight it unintentionally suggested to all North Dakotans. After that, Coach Bohl will share his team discipline decisions, and then we will take questions from media.
Notice the emphasis of the win, ... "over FBS-level" ..., interesting that Dr. Bresciani felt the need to include that adjective with Colorado State. It tends to tell me what priority (football) is still deeply rooted in this education-based decision process.
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Any indication who will start at EWU?
I predict their last name will start with "H".
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What are these football players going to have learned from all this? Nothing beyond the fact we got away with it. Now the people in North Dakota government that want to take control of the universities from the SBHE have some real cannonballs to lob in the next session. They tried with the nickname and failed. But football players running amuck and obstructing the democratic process is something that they can really latch on to with emotion. Bison fans may be happy about the outcome but they are only a small percentage of the population. Most of the rest of the state will not be very happy that they pretty much walked away with nothing. Easy to sell a new program to people with NDSU's lack of control and punishment.
Now this post from you I agree with.
This will come back and not be good for any NDUS school come the next Legislative session. "Carlson's Cadre" is just waiting to use this as more proof why the ND SBoHE needs to be weakened and the power taken back into the Legislature. They thought they had a winner with the moniker issue; this has to have them just giddy.
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Oh, I imagine local media will be talking about it a little bit tomorrow and maybe even later in the week. But after the Youngstown game it will be pretty much over. Even this thread had almost died until the court appearance this week.
359.5 days and counting until it self-resurrects.
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New NDSU team bus?
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Wait a minute. Aren't most of these guys at least 18 if not 21? By legal definition, they are adults. But these folks aren't part of the "adult public"? Pardon me Your Honor, but, what the ...
NDSU football:
- not smart
- not grown up
- not sophisticated
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"They all received deferred imposition of sentence, 360 days of unsupervised probation, $300 legislative fee, 50 hours of community service to be completed by April 15 and a $25 community service fee."
Most of that makes sense to me, but would one of the forum's lawyerly types please explain the "deferred imposition of sentence" statement?
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Had they simply been suspended for Robert Morris for a vague "violation of team rules" this would be a minor issue today.
Yup, I said that from the beginning.
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So Bohl's justification for not suspending his players is that no one told them that identity theft and election fraud was wrong???
They didn't know that fraud and signing someone else's name is not only wrong but illegal?
If they'll do that on legal documents (like petitions and affidavits) it makes you wonder where else those college students may have done it.
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I can make you a business offer, like an offer of employment, that includes a legal and an illegal option.
You have three choices:
- do the legal thing
- do the illegal thing
- not do business with me at all
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What is it about entry into the Big Sky that makes defense become inept?
Facing high-powered, multi-faceted offenses every week?
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To me the fake punt call was admitting that you didn't think your defense would get you the ball back with about 8 minutes.
I didn't like the call. In that case I think having Cameron pin them deep would've been better.
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The way some are acting the season is over and the NCAA should mail the championship banner to ... naw, too easy.
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Thoughts:
1. UND fell into the trap when they took the lead: they thought the game was over. The defense fell asleep and 65 yards later, ...the game was over. The momentum and energy was gone.
2. Hardin historically is hot and cold, and last night he was cold. The rule should be: after Hardin drops three start targetting McGill.
3. I think teams have figured out how to defend Hendrickson. His passing is, well, back to just a bit better than it was against Montana in 2010.
4. The recruiting focus the last couple of years has been to put together a "Big Sky" offense. It's time to refocus on the defensive recruiting.
5. You can't have four turnovers and expect to win.
6. The offensive line needs to start being positively consistent.
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Imagine if the Summit decided that it was best to call NDSU "Ag College Fargo" in conference materials so people would 'recognize' who they are.
Calling other schools by names other than their official names is the equivalent.
Bison Football - Not smart enough to understand
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NDSU Football: Voter Fraud? Meh, ... we normally deal with infractions involving alcohol, drugs, violence or sex.*
NDSU Football: Not smart enough or grown-up enough or sophisticated enough to understand.**
*Courtesy Fargo Forum NDSU beat writer Kevin Schnepf
**Courtesy Judge Douglas Herman