ArtVandalay

Pretty nice effort tonight. In it most of the game against big east school on the road. Team competed. Picked up a hundred grand to boot. Bills to pay.

Shanks not eligible until Monday night

EWU hammered by Sam Houston. SH not bad this year. Bit of a let down game I guess after tough loss to Washington.

Yea man. Yea. Copy and paste. Copy and paste. How about a new rule in this God forsaken thread. If you have already said it 12 times you can't say it again. We get it. You wanna blow the thing up. You are good to go.

. No, it's not obvious. None of this is obvious.

It's all relative. No question. Just because it is a better league doesn't mean you can't apply the same logic. Firing a coach despite runner up finish in conference.

Convenient.

Trust me. If Tim brewster had lost in the big ten title game, they wouldn't have fired him the next year after a bad loss.

Understood. But the MN game needs to be held in context. It's a money game with a superior big ten team. That type of loss is to be expected especially in rebuilding year. Ndsu was rifled by Texas and Iowa by 35 each as well. The ndsu game was a bad loss. No question. Just as it was a bad loss for them vs us last year. It just happens some time. One game.

So when he does win it's a fluke. Man, tough crowd. "Coach, we are gonna have to let you go. Even though you reached the BSC title game. We think it was a fluke. Therefore, it's time to go. Didn't really happen or ah, er, we didn't think you could do it but you did but that doesn't matter. It was just a fluke"

Aren't you contradicting what you said 1 post earlier?

Great points. And here comes the "duckies and bunnies" onslaught. Wait for it, wait for it, wait for it. And go.

What for? You gonna listen?

This thread is the cyber version of the knuckleheads in the barbershop in Hoosiers. So out of bounds. Low class crap full of faceless self -aggrandizing jackasses. Recruits, committed recruits, and parents of recruits, etc unfortunately read this. If you truly cared about the program you would take this off of here and move it back into the barbershop. Awful.

By the way. We went 12-7 the rest of the way when you started this thread. With a bunch of players no one else wanted I might add.

I would disagree. I think you would like nothing more than to see an epic failure with the consequence being firing of Jones. I think it would make your day. Irrespective of the fact that it would be an awful disruption in people's lives. Coaches, players, etc. As others have stated, your rants are knee jerk and careless. A complete disregard of the challenges this program has faced AND a disregard of the progress the program has seen the last few years. Couldn't be more obvious in my opinion. Hope you are feeling better.

Can't believe I paid 7 bucks for this bush league live feed.

Celebrity Net Worth website has Phil Jackson at 45 million. Current estate tax law would put him at about 20 million in estate taxes. Given his age and coupled with his current salary, he most likely is looking at gifting. Should be anyway.

Nice flurry here. As long as und has to play all of their non conference games on the road; they will never have a record that some of you want. We have terrible facilities and pay our coaches crap. Recruits see and feel this. Ndsu had a jump on us with the transition to D1. Might have only been a few years but may as well been 20. In this type of market, this is significant. Und will only get a bid to the tourney if they win the BSC tournament and it will be a 16 seed. That goes for any team that wins the conference tournament. OOC doesn't matter in this regard. Jones has had a more than successful transition to the BSC with players no one else wanted. Brewster has done a nice job. Comparing the two is apples and oranges. The mere fact that they can get anybody to play here is nothing short of a miracle much less be competitive. Someone might say that none of these reasons are an excuse but herein lies the problem and that is some folks have these bizarre expectations that are nothing more than a pipe dream.Kansas? Duke? Give me a break. All credibility goes out the window.

Good data. Would love to know what percentage of non conference games were away games.

Why is it assumed that this group was so talented? Drives me nuts. Just because they were all seniors doesn't make them talented. They were recruited when no one was going to come here. Nobody else was recruiting them. You can make the opposite argument that jones got the most out of a group of kids that no other D1 programs recruited. Fast forward to today and jones IS getting kids that have other D1 offers. Progress, real progress in my opinion. Secondly, regarding money. It isn't just salaries that are an issue. 1) facilities are D2 quality. 2) money game requirements. Meanwhile, their neighbors get 10 million put into a locker room. Our players still use the same type of cold/hot tub that Phil Jackson used. I wouldn't be shocked if their weight room had one of those vibrating belt machines that Jack Lalanne used to hawk in the 60's. I guess you can flip it around when talking to a recruit by stating, "not only did Phil Jackson play here, you will be getting taped on the very same table he used". Embarrassing. Everyone's frustration should be pointed directly at AD and not Coach Jones.

For all the Hooker detractors, last nights game is a prime example of his value. Does so much for this team that doesn't show up on stat sheet. I know he played in 2nd half of sdsu game but I am amazed at how people are so eager to replace him. Great defender; knows how to pace a game, getting better as a shooter. But most important is he is a great locker room guy. Easy kid to cheer for in my opinion. Really glad we have him.

I am here. Refs totally a$$ jammed us at the end of game. Awful.

During the interview, jones daughter got right in the mix. She was grabbing stuff off the table, etc. it was pretty funny/cute and a tad uncomfortable.

It was hilarious. Big time.