NoiseInsideMyHead
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What part of "transitioning to a new nickname and logo" do people not understand?!! That language is in the settlement. Pretty easy to understand. The absense of a nickname is not a new nickname. UND must transition to a new nickname. It really is that simple.
You say, "UND must…." as if there is no alternative. I ask in response, "What are the consequences if UND doesn't?"
See the difference?
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One problem with your argumnet. The NCAA does not have to prove that they have been harmed by UND not having a name. That was not part of the settlemet agreement. I really don't get how a couple paragraphs can be so twisted and skewed to mean so many things just to prove someones point!!
I'm going to speak slowly, and type even slower. The settlement agreement is a contract. In order to establish a breach of contract, a party to the contract must allege and prove 3 things: the existence of the contract, a breach by the other party, and resulting harm.
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The NCAA might see that as a way FOR FANS to continue to use Fighting Sioux.
FYP. And the response has to be "BIG DEAL."
The fans weren't parties to the settlement agreement and cannot be sued. Nor are the fans subject to NCAA's member bylaws, rules, or resolutions and thus the fans cannot be sanctioned. The University is not using anything and thus has no culpability under the nickname policy. Short of stifling individual expression up to and beyond the point of violating people's constitutional rights, what more would you have UND do?
Interesting aside about fan behavior -- notwithstanding its own policy, has the NCAA ever ejected a fan from an NCAA event solely for wearing and/or uttering "Sioux"?
The NCAA's hands are completely tied on this one, and they know it. Their only options are to (1) deal with it; (2) enact a new nickname rule, which would probably grandfather UND in anyway; and (3) take UND to court on a dubious breach of contract theory, and try to explain to a judge how they have been harmed by UND not having a name and that the court should exercise its extraordinary power to remedy such a gross injustice.
Short version, for the cognitively impaired:
No nickname = no sanctions
No nickname = possible lawsuit for breach with remote chance of money damages against UND and infinitesimal chance of UND being ordered to adopt a name
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UNO names it's arena Baxter and sells out season tickets.
And I'm sure the STH are sworn to never, ever sell to Sioux fans.
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I am of the opinion that if we picked a logo, something unique, but no name, we would restore sales, albeit slowly. Obviously, not much of an effort has been made to rebrand our University in the last four years as everyone waited with uncertainty. I don't think merchandise would be an issue, I don't think branding would be an issue. Your last three paragraphs (apart from the conclusion), all are answered by a marketing/merchandise rebranding of our North Dakota image. I've heard from current student athletes that they think its a joke that each of our teams uses different gear, because there is no unity. Each team does its own thing because of all the uncertainty. It would be very simple to unite them behind a campus wide rebranding.
Why don't we spend $300K to come up with an image?
But if UND adopts a single "logo" or "image", doesn't the literal equivalent or description of that image become the de facto nickname?
And please stop with the preaching about preserving the sanctity of your precious thread. We get it; you think you're better than every Tom, Dick, and Harry who fires off an anonymous post on an Internet forum. I'll take mud-encrusted witty insight over 'competence' every day of the week.
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Not trying to subtract from your post, but how many strip malls does one city need?
If they're anchored by and/or populated with a variety of up-and-coming and diverse restaurants, as many as possible.
Your question is a fair one. The repurposed, former Golden Corral space is still 100% vacant, as I recall. And strips are planned for Columbia south of 36th. At least the Noodles/E&G/Spicy Pie strip is full. Time to jump-start the GF Economy thread, perhaps?
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Why can we not hire the marketers to liven up the North Dakota image? If we can blow $200K+ on nickname committees (that were, to put it lightly, highly ineffective) (KG's estimate), why can we not at least put the same into making North Dakota sexy?
I'm actually a fan of the current MHKY jerseys, but I will readily admit to liking very little else in the way of post-Sioux gear. But then again, at any time during the Sioux era, how much did non-Sioux merchandise really ever catch on?
I believe if there was a way to "make North Dakota sexy," somebody would have figured it out by now. You'd have better luck with a tractor.
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Positive development. Keep 'em coming.
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So what will be the fallout if the public votes goes for RR by a large margin (it seems to be the overwhelming choice of the 5 left) but that pick in turn is rejected by Kelley AFTER this whole debacle with the no nickname situation?
I predict he will be out as president.
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Chase Perry leaves Colorado College to go play in the BCHL.
http://gazette.com/goalie-chase-perry-leaves-cc-for-juniors/article/1556083
Fair to say that CC has adopted a Dump Chase style of play?
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Looks like they have a pretty broad cross-section of backgrounds/experience within the student and alumni groups, can't ask for much more than that.
4 current students including 2 student athletes
6 alumni including 2 who are former student athletes
1 professor
I'm glad to see Christofferson and St. Peter on the list. They've both owned/run professional sports teams and should have a clue about the need for identity/brand identification and marketing.
I'm glad they clarified Dr. McDonald is a 3x UND alumnus, because the rest of his identifier is not a credential worthy of this committee.
The best combo of brains and brawn currently on campus -- Dayo Idowu (that's right: flagrant engineering bias!)
The %gobc got their guy (Schweigert).
No complaints here on the make-up of the committee.
Here and now, publicly:
Mr. Goehring,
Your contributions to the hockey program are clear and recognizable, both in the past as a player and today as a coach and mentor to current players; but your contributions to this effort are greater.
Much was made of your stature while playing; dare I say you're the tallest man on the University of North Dakota campus today because of your willingness to stand up and take on the last and now this most challenging assignment.
Thank you Karl.
Signed,
A fellow alumnus of the University of North Dakota
Bump, and a reminder of happier (hope-ier?) times.
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Akron has no money!
Zip?
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However you feel about having only one airline (it stinks), that's not the only problem…consider the singular hub. If DL would simply add a couple of SLC flights, westbound travel out of GFK would be markedly better.
Looks like United's service in GFK didn't make much difference.
I bet it did to Delta.
(Full disclosure, I was only one butt in one seat on one round-trip while it lasted, but I jumped at the chance to fly through Denver.) -
If you had a crappy breakup a few years ago, would you reach out to your ex -- or worse, the sniveling bitch who wouldn't mind her own business and caused the breakup -- and ask her permission before making decisions about your personal life?
Didn't think so.
Because you have a pair, and you're not going to give her the satisfaction.
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Are you looking for a yearly update from opposing coaches saying "Yep, still bringing up that train wreck of a nickname mess"? Or are you going off the assumption that that since once the nickname was dropped, that clearly resolved the issue and every opposing coach decided it wasn't worth bringing up anymore?
All I'm looking for is people to stop using fear tactics. If you're going to say UND needs a nickname because X, and X is specious on its face, then you'd better be willing to back it up and support it. Rank speculation is hardly called for here, and serves no one. If it's an opinion, state it like one.
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To believe that UND's nickname status is not used against it by opponents (everywhere from the recruiting trail to the playing surface) is naivety writ epic.
Admit it: If the tables were turned, you'd use it.
So what you're saying is that recruiters have the same disregard for logic as the NCAA fear mongers on this site? Or is it the recruits?
Call me naive, but I think that UND is better served by not having such simple-minded individuals enrolled as students.
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Call up Dale Lennon and tell him to prove it.
And how, exactly, is a February 2012 news article evidence of "continuous" use?
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What you want, an article? People can only relay what the actual coaching staff has told them.
Context is critical here. The word "continuously" implies that it is ongoing. OP says it as if it's gospel truth, but it's now been thrown out there at least twice without any substantiation whatsoever. The only person who came to OP's defense in April said explicitly that it was "in the past."
At what point(s) in the nickname controversy and/or transition process did the alleged use(s) occur? Fair question.
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It is continuously used against UND on the recruiting trail.
Source? This is ridiculously inflammatory and so easy to say, but damn near impossible to prove. In fact, a few months ago I called out someone else for making the same naked allegation on another thread and the only response put forth in defense was:
Coaches have said so in the past.
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That is what you call a choke job.
From coke to choke. The Dustin Johnson Story.
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The North Dakota Pole Stars...I'm picturing some quality "logos" as we speak.
Mudflap sales would definitely spike.
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Woods is mentally gone. Ugly ugly golf.
Not to be too morbid, but the first time Fox broadcast a NASCAR race, one of the sport's biggest superstars died on the track.
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Here’s all 30 teams early odds for the 2015-16 season:
Time for a new thread?
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I'd like to see the Herald tackle that issue - based on the final 7 what did the high-powered agency bring to the table? Just another example of top-level executives being out of touch with their own community and constituents - I've experienced the mind-set too many times - "We have to pay big bucks and use someone from out of state if we want to get something really creative." Was there a RFP for this project?
We paid six figures in state tax dollars to come up with what we had before we started. There was no creative thinking brought to the table.
But was "creative thinking" what the consultant was hired for? Seems to me that they were brought in not to come up with ideas but rather to facilitate a process. That process included unfettered (and protracted) public input and except for an initial screening, all decisions have been made by a hand-picked group of stakeholders. Nobody can complain about not having an opportunity to suggest as many creative names as they could think of. You are free to criticize the consultant for failing to 'think creatively' during the first round of cuts, but at least the consultant's work product was laid out on the table for public inspection, and everything thereafter is solely on the committee.
Lots of decision-making processes are messy, expensive, and pointless, but people seem to feel better about them by building them into something bigger than they need to be. In fact, as a nation we're about to embark on another one…the 2016 presidential primaries. How much money are the taxpayers and also-rans going to spend on this ridiculous, entirely-too-long political farce?
Like all non-consultants, I hate consultants with a passion. But I think the blame for your disappointment in the process may need to be placed elsewhere.
NCAA To Sanction UND if School Does Not Adopt New Nickname
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With all the armchair lawyering going on, this forum could be sponsored by La-Z-Boy. Y'all need to relax and leave it to the professionals.
Also, if any of you are lawyers, please out yourselves so I know to never, ever retain your services.
"I read it in the contract, and the contract was perfectly written, so it must be true. And if we don't do it, we're in breach, and we're going to lose, and there's nothing we can do about it." - No Lawyer, Ever