JohnboyND7
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Last I saw, Sioux tribes and other tribes outside of the state of North Dakota did not give the nickname and logo to UND and they were not referenced in the surrender agreement.
Last I saw Standing Rock said screw you guys so.....where do we go from here?
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I am making a reference to playing all your OOC games at home, and Bison Dan said it himself that Bison fans want all the OOC games at home, well if you want a national title...go on the road because the national title game will NOT be played in Fargo. What makes the criteria for this Dakota 3? FBS wins well that leaves SDSU out too, playoff wins, well that is only NDSU, total wins well both UND and USD have 15. So how is UND the worst since we lost only 1 game more than USD?
It might not be in Fargo, but the road to it has led through Fargo many times and homefully many more. SDSU shut UND out last season? Yes. USD beat UND, Yes. NDSU beat each of those teams by multiple touchdowns. So as of last year, UND would have been easily considered the worst team in the Dakotas. Is it normally that way? No. Normally UND is pretty solid along with NDSU and SDSU and USD usually lags behind but right now, UND is the worst currently. It happens, I'm sure there has been years when NDSU has been the worst of the four too. Nothing to be TOO ashamed about...
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RIght now its a Dakota 3. UND is CURRENTLY the worst of the bunch but in time that can easily change. As for the gentleman who said that NDSU won't win a title because we schedule OOC at home, I'm not following your logic whatsoever.
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For starters, I am a student (Doctoral), I attend just about every sporting event on campus, and I donate roughly $1,000 per year towards athletics (would like to do more but a man can only give what he has). I can tell that I'm out gunned here and that everybody but me is fine with the Alerus as the permanent home of UND football, I guess I should be grateful that at least we have hockey and we are definitely king of the mountain of that.
I'd say $1,000 is pretty damn solid for a student to be giving.
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Well, like I said, to their credit they actually won a couple of games once they got there. I was simply making the point that they never should have been there based on their regular season performance. As for your comparison of the '80s when the Bison won a lot of lopsided games compared to the '90s when the Sioux won a lot of competitive games... anybody can run the score up on an inferior oppoent (which I admit the Sioux were for much of the '80s) but the great teams find a way to win the close ones.
I hope you are not insinuating that the Sioux teams of the 90's could have beat the Bison of 82-90. Not trying to knock the Sioux teams of the 90's but the 80's Bison all the way up til the move into the Dome were all excellent teams. I am still not sure the Bison of today could beat those teams and obviously now we are D1.
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You're right JohnBoy lets continue to keep the status quo and our expectations low. Lets dream about big game days with 13,500 people getting loud in a poorly designed concrete box off of the interstate. That may have been fine 10 years ago at the D2 level but that dog won't hunt at the D1 FCS and FBS level. I can't believe it's this difficult to sell the idea of better facilities to the fans of a flag ship institution. Come on guys where's your school spirit at?
My school spirit is here in North Fargo. NDSU guy here. I think its great to dream big and everything, but lets be relatively reasonable here. North Dakota just isn't a bigtime FBS state. Is there anything wrong with that? Absolutely not. Not everyone can be FBS or at the very least be relevant in FBS. Do I think NDSU/UND could be good enough for the MAC? Absolutely. But do you want the highlight of your season to be the Meineke.com bowl after an 8-4 season against a 7-5 team from the Sun Belt? UND, nor NDSU for that matter, have ever given any reason to think that they can be a top 25 team in the FBS. Can either of our schools beat the worst SEC teams? No. Can they beat a mediocre Big 10 or 12 team? Perhaps. NDSU nearly beat a so-so Minnesota team and beat a terrible one. Beat a pretty bad Kansas team as well.
I love the FargoDome. I love when it gets to 18,000 fans. It gets loud in there and it really makes for a good time. The Alerus, while a good bit smaller, offers something at least relatively similar. Maybe a bit more fairweather fans than NDSU just because hockey is king up North but you get the picture. If UND is good, the Alerus is a solid football venue. Plus it has beer. Which is awesome for you guys, we are very envious of that. I can see why you might want a bigger stadium because you want a bigger, better atmosphere. But I have followed what you said on this thread for awhile. You want an extremely expensive retractable roof stadium holding if I remember right, in the neighborhood of 25-35,000 people. That just isn't going to happen. I am sorry. Down the road, could UND potentially move back to Memorial and get it to hold 20,000? Yes, but once the cold hits not as many people are going to go watch. I'm not trying to be a hater here bro but c'mon. We can probably both agree, that regardless of which team is better, generally speaking, NDSU has more football fan interest, I think attendence figures have shown that. I have heard pretty well no one claim that NDSU needs a new football stadium. Would it be awesome if we had the fan interest to hold 30,000 people outdoors? Hell yeah, I'd love that. But that simply isn't going to happen.
Tell you what, if UND starts selling out every game, for multiple years, and is winning Big Sky titles left and right, maybe even a championship, and the fans are demanding that the Alerus be replaced, I say go for it in that case. I don't anticipate that happening, but it wouldn't be the first time or the last time that I was wrong. I hope you can at least see where I am coming from. Overall, UND has very good facilities. The REA is a beautiful building. The Betty is nice too. The Alerus, while it isn't a flawless building, is a fine place to play football. A new building can only increase fan attendence for a year or two, if the product on the field doesn't improve, fans again quit coming. If UND became an average hockey team (they have had those years before), the Ralph isn't going to sell-out. If the football team had a 30,000 seat OUTDOOR stadium, and the team isn't good, you will go right back to 8-10,000 attendence.
Not trying to knock you bro, I think people need to aim high, but sometimes, people aim a tad too high.
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Wow- proof again that this name matters to a lot of the Sioux Nation and I'm grateful for their support and will to fight. A federal lawsuit will get a lot of attention and maybe some real change. Hard to argue the Spirit Lake Sioux are oppressed by the Sioux name and logo attached to North Dakota's flagship university.
One tribe. One of very many. As I read somewhere else, that is like saying that Delaware speaks for the entire Eastern Seaboard. Does Delaware share the same view as most of the East Coast on some issues? Probably, but do they get to say that they are the American nation as a result? While I am sure some of UND's fans appreciate the support, if this drags out, this could just add more issues that honestly, UND probably doesn't need right now.
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There were games in the Alerus that were so loud and crazy I could feel my skin vibrate (like when the Sioux came back from 11 pts. down against Grand Valley State in the playoffs), and I thought the roof was going to come down. I can't wait for those days to return!
See, for those guys complaining (IrishSiouxFan) that the Alerus is not an acceptable venue, you probably never saw it at its best. It is essentially a smaller FargoDome but with beer! I don't see where you can really complain about it that much. I understand that you want this huge stadium at Memorial, but why would the school/city invest into that? Why do you think UND is going FBS? Have they given you any indication whatsoever that they Alerus is not a fairly long-term solution for UND football?
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Agreed, he seems like the kind of guy you can have a beer with and chat about the sport with a bit of smack, but not too much out of respect. This forum dude seems like that punk kid who is drunk and knows nothing about the school he is cheering for except that the team they are playing SUCKS!
WYOBISONMAN sets a really good example for how Bison fans should behave on here. Hambone does a great job of it for UND fans over on Bisonville.
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The so-called "better team" was not even worthy of being selected to the playoff field. They went into their last regular season game needing a win and laid an egg, yet the committee still found a way to put them in. To their credit, they actually won a couple of games once they got in but the fact remains that based on their regular season performance they did not deserve a playoff berth. Another team that was more deserving got screwed over. I honestly don't remember now who they were, but that is beside the point. The Bison just aren't that good, and they haven't been since 1990. Obviously they aren't terrible, but to suggest that they're better than the team that went on to win the national championship is a reach.
At the start of the playoffs I was totally on your side, I was devastated watching NDSU piss the Missouri St. game down their leg, but I think once they got in the playoffs they showed that they were entirely worthy of their inclusion into the playoffs. They beat the NEC champ, which is nothing spectacular by any means, but they absolutely owned Montana St., and took the soon-to-be National Champion to the 1 yard line in overtime on the road. And we all can probably admit, UND or Bison fans alike, that the referee definitely screwed up. If he had made the correct call, most would assume NDSU would have scored, and either went for two(I would think so), or would have went to a 2nd overtime.
The mid-late 90's the Bison were not up to their usual stuff. 2000 with Gordon was magical. Had two quarterbacks not torn their ACL's in Nebraska and had Fargo gotten the playoff game as they should have, we could very well be talking about the state of North Dakota having back-to-back championships not unlike Alabama and Auburn recently. I understand you do not like the Bison and that is well within your right Dave. I don't like UND, never have, never will. But I might mention even when UND was beating NDSU in the 90's and 2000's, they were good games for the most part. Something that UND can't really hold their head up about in the 80's.
Back to should they resume the football series, I'd rather they just do a single home-and-home and be done with it. I really dig this whole "6 home games" thing. It is fun. Now if UND is willing to give us a 2 for 1 deal for the rest of the rivalry, well maybe I can give up that home game once every three years.
If both schools decide that they still want to be close to one another and that both want the rivalry to continue, I will be fine with it I suppose. But for all the idiots (not just SS.com members) who think the state should step in and force the two schools to play, I will say that they are stupid. Schools can make up their minds on their own.-JohnboyND7 "On Bison!"
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Don't be too hard on him, its been a tough last couple of days for bison fans.
Only tough part of the last couple days is DJ won't be playing this Saturday.
My prediction. Idaho 38
UND 21
Idaho could very easily be held to less but then again so can UND. The more points that get scored, the worse off UND is.
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That sounds like a waste of money especially with the name change coming up.