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14 hours ago, DamStrait said:
I just might be that not all problems can be solved or improved by government action - or the corollary - there are limits to what government can do to remedy any specific problem.
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23 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
You sound excited!!
You have it confused. I’m on the side of not wanting people to die. I know that is perplexing for you.
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Florida finally started reporting hospitalizations again.
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14 minutes ago, Kab said:
# defund congress
they aren’t doing anything anyway
lets just get rid of them
let the states do their own thing
Yeah, F the Constitution.
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2 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
Level the playing field means get rid of any overt racism written into law, as was the case in the past. If anything is done beyond that to further any one race than it is by definition racist against the groups that are not included in the program to help. It makes the faulty assumption that because a person is white that they come from a situation where they don’t need any help to rise.
People in poverty need help, period, end of sentence, no qualifiers. They need resources, education, they need options.Take race out of it.
Ok. When Rs propose something like that I'll listen.
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12 hours ago, Bison06 said:
We can agree to disagree on who would be better off, but no problem.
So if these problems are relics of the past policies as you say, what can be done to correct them? Society seems to think the answer is to give advantages to the grandchildren and great grandchildren of the people who suffered these injustices.(College admissions, federal loan programs earmarked for minorities etc) But by definition, an advantage can’t be given without disadvantaging someone else.
Why not just level the playing field and let it play out?What does "level the playing field" mean to you? The items you describe are trying to do exactly that. Or do you mean that we should do nothing and let it play out?
12 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:fixed.
2 hours ago, Bison Dan said:It's people who think like you that are holding minorities back. If anyone in this country works hard, keeps their nose clean, and accepts responsibility for their own actions, will have no problems in America. Keep making excuses for poor behavior and promoting victimhood because it's worked so well for the 40 years.
I asked for R ideas earlier in this thread and...crickets. Except, of course, blaming folks for being poor.
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23 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
Let me try to clear it up with a question.
Does a white American who grows up in poverty and with drug addicts as parents have an advantage over an African American in the exact same circumstances?
The ultra wealthy, old money in our country is mostly white people. But ALL white people get somehow lumped in with this “old money, waspy, Ivy League” persona that simply isn’t reality.
What I’m saying, is money is what buys privilege in our country. Not skin color.
I would say yes the white American in general would have an advantage due to the stats that I cited earlier in the thread about the justice system and unconscious bias. But perhaps more importantly the odds are that the going to be skewed by where these individuals live. Dense urban centers have a disproportionate Black population, gang problems, and poor performing schools, which are all relics of past racist policies.
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5 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
It’s important to figure out what the root of the problem is if you’re going to find a solution.
What I’m saying, is the racist policies of the past have put minorities, specifically African Americans, at a financial disadvantage.(redlining, Jim Crow, war on drugs etc) Those were racist policies, no argument from me. Those racist policies led to a lack of wealth creation as a general rule. Lack of wealth, has lead to many of the current problems that are plaguing the African American community. We are in complete agreement on how this all happened. What I am saying, is that as far as I know, there is nothing currently holding back a American born African American from succeeding financially. So instead of being fed the narrative that they will never succeed because white people are holding them back, I advocate for removing that narrative, which is pushed by the democrats and just allowing them to build their wealth.
I believe that is the core of the issue.
I’m so confused. You accept that the racist policies of the past have contributed to the dramatically disproportionate socioeconomic status, but then make the leap that because there are no longer any laws as barriers, Black Americans are actually on equal footing and should go out and build wealth like others. That just seems...naive.
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3 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:
So the roughly 47% decrease in deaths from the week ending April 18 (16887) to the week ending May 16 (8901) is inaccurate too?
What lag time is going to fit your narrative? May 16 was 7+ weeks ago.
No, there was a huge decrease in deaths. But not anywhere near 230. That is a misleading, inaccurate number.
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The consensus on this board seems to be that there might have been racism in the past, but that’s been solved and any problems faced by Black Americans now is completely due to their terrible culture and Democrats giving them easy livin’ on rural America’s dime.
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19 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:
Weekly deaths in the US that were Covid related and presumed Covid related peaked the week ending on April 18 at 16887 deaths. It has declined each and every week thereafter with 230 deaths reported the week ending July 4.
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*Data during recent weeks are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes.
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1 minute ago, UND1983 said:
Would the percentage of deaths vs cases still be similar?
No, cases won’t have the same correlation due to testing rates and self selection bias of those getting tested. However, it appears that they can be used at a bulk level.
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Just now, UND1983 said:
Deaths were going down. Look at the chart. Now they suddenly went up and you act like you were right the entire time.
It was highly predictable that they would go back up based on the hospitalization data. That poster was correct the whole time.
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1 hour ago, Bison06 said:
If it wasn't obvious before recently, it certainly has become crystal clear that the only goal of the media is to confuse people.
Masks are good......................masks make it worse.
Herd immunity is important so let people get Covid and contribute to the herd immunity.........Herd immunity is only achievable with a vaccine.
Young people aren't at risk..................but we have to keep the schools closed.
Covid doesn't live on surfaces...................but we must incessantly clean everything to keep people safe.
Asymptomatic carriers are the real threat....................actually your exceedingly unlikely to transmit the disease when asymptomatic.
This list could be endless, its maddening.
2 hours ago, homer said:1 hour ago, Oxbow6 said:#trustthescience
#believetheexperts
Those two stories don’t contradict each other in any way. Two different studies, vastly different methods and geographic areas. My takeaway is that even though NYC was hit very hard, only 20-25% have the antibodies and we don’t even know if that is good enough to ward off COVID-19 or its mutations.
You do realize what the “novel” part of the coronavirus name means, right? New. And with any new disease there are going to be a lot of studies, and yes, some are going to contradict each other. That is how science works. Eventually you get to a place of better understanding and a set of best recommendations. Until then, the conservative path of caution should be the one taken.
I’ve said before in this thread, I will be sending my daughter to school later this summer because COVID-19 doesn’t appear to be a danger to children and distance learning for early elementary kids is a cluster. But if new facts come to light I will have no hesitation in pulling her out.
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The hospitalization data is striking and you can see a clear bottoming and deaths have started to tick back up.
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8 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
Those are reasonable solutions, though to be black on white(pun unintended) on that last one is a slippery slope, maybe some nuance to that and I'm on board.
I think most people agree that putting people in jail for using drugs is a futile exercise and harmful in the long run.
I also think that it is absurd for a kid selling on street corner to be charged with a felony that will follow him around his entire life. Mandatory minimum sentences at the state and federal levels need to be thrown out.
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7 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
Theory? Ever talked to someone on welfare?
I advocate that there is a tiered system of help as you climb your way out of financial hardship and your income rises. Provide real life benefits so people can get to work.
I make minimum wage as a single mom with three kids at home, so I get x benefits, as my income rises those benefits should just go away at a certain threshold or if I get married, increasing my household income. They should be reduced by a sensible amount as I rise up and improve my station in life until ultimately I need no help.
As it stands, a person going from poverty to rising up will have to take a step back initially from a financial standpoint. Hence, why people don't usually see the benefit to doing it.
You have to reward hard work to get people to want to do it, democratic economic policies generally don't fit that description.
I fully agree with this idea. But it is disingenuous to frame this as a republican idea and say that the Ds are against it. Ds aren't the ones that are for cutting benefits, Rs are. So, any plan that the Rs come up with, no matter if the phase-out is sensible, will result in a benefit cut.
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12 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
No, you presented a chart that shows they are the lowest in net worth of every race. Then, you explained why it was. So you must have the antidote.
There are no shortage of good ideas out there. They just need the willpower and dollars to come to fruition. The problem is that this is such an ingrained, multi-century issue that there are no magic bullets. Here's a few:
- My top idea would be about education. Reduce class sizes dramatically in low-performing schools and make sure that the facilities in urban areas are up to par.
- Ensure that public transportation is fully funded. Most urban, impoverished residents do not have vehicles and are effectively "trapped" in their locations which may not be anywhere close to where the jobs are.
- Stop imprisoning people for drug violations. Period.
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4 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
One the the main reason is democratic policies that encourage people to stay single as they receive more benefits from the government.
That's an interesting theory. So, do you advocate that we change those policies and increase the payments so that married people receive an equal amount?
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1 minute ago, Bison Dan said:
70% of black children have no fathers, that can be a large reason. Also "I'm a victim mentality is another one". If this is such racist country how come asian citizens have little to no problems?
I haven't double-checked your number for accuracy, but if so, why is that the case?
To your second point, I'll let my Pakistani SIL know that she's had no problems as a Muslim in America. Oh, only East Asians count. Got it.
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11 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
Why assume that I haven't been properly "informed", as you say? What if I have read those same studies and books you seem to have and simply come a different conclusion? Is race an issue, of course. Many people in our country are racist unfortunately, but as of 2020 I don't see(feel free to correct me, honestly) what laws that are currently on the books that hold people down due to race.
I think you nailed it with your link. The problem isn't primarily race, the problem is primarily wealth. So why as a society do we not discuss what the core of the problem is instead of yelling racism at every turn?
Well, you have people like Oxbow who have apparently decided that it is the Black community's culture that is the problem, not the circumstances that have led to the various problems.
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2 minutes ago, UNDvince97-01 said:
Racist comment...
LOL. Snowflake.
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4 minutes ago, Bison06 said:
Why assume that I haven't been properly "informed", as you say? What if I have read those same studies and books you seem to have and simply come a different conclusion? Is race an issue, of course. Many people in our country are racist unfortunately, but as of 2020 I don't see(feel free to correct me, honestly) what laws that are currently on the books that hold people down due to race.
I think you nailed it with your link. The problem isn't primarily race, the problem is primarily wealth. So why as a society do we not discuss what the core of the problem is instead of yelling racism at every turn?
1 minute ago, homer said:So because one does not fully agree with the opinion of someone’s essay they are racist?
In my opinion, there is a difference between being racist and being racially uninformed. Racism is an active disdain for others based upon their race.
Here's a simple question, would you rather be born white in America or black?
How about some easy data examples:
- Marijuana use - Despite roughly equal usage rates, Blacks are 3.73 times more likely than whites to be arrested for marijuana.
- Black male offenders continued to receive longer sentences than similarly situated White male offenders
- Job applicants with white names needed to send about 10 resumes to get one callback; those with African-American names needed to send around 15 resumes to get one callback.
Then there are the other minor things that add up. What is the last time that a white person was told that they are surprisingly well-spoken "for a white person".
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2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)
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And Roger Stone gets his sentence commuted. Good to be friends with Trump. Treating the presidency like he is a mob boss.