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Care to share the names of these two recruits you are telling stories about?

NDSU is well aware of this. I think it was Wyo who brought this up earlier this year on this board. Alvin and the Chipmunks are going to destroy higher ed in ND if they get their way. I am hoping his political career is soon over.

I think cutting FB and WR allows them to give all remaining programs a pretty big boost. Hockey has done it on their own up to this point and pumping more funds will only help that program get even further. Obviously they want to see the school get a firm hold on the hockey fans in the area. I see them looking at hockey in the same kind of light that MSUM has lately. Bring some attention to the school with hockey while building up the other programs in the process. If they can get the BB programs into a couple of NCAA tourney's they could slowly start chipping away at the Creighton strangle hold in Omaha. With the cutting of those two athletic programs they are going to have to see some production across the board quick or the Admin and AD will be run out of town in a hurry.

With all the craziness going on with conferences changing shape some might eventually have no choice but to start doing things like that.

Thanks for the correction.

I have already stated that the SU's didn't leave to distance themselves from the NCC. Some fans have said that in the past and it was simply incorrect. The two schools didn't have that mindset when leaving. The majority of conversations that I have been a part of when some of those comments were made were in response to UND fans smacking the teams NDSU was playing while in transition. The majority of comments I have seen recently about "moving on" are more from the Lakes type than from any level headed fan. ORU has dominated the Summit in the past and now things aren't going in the direction they wanted it to. They have complained about having to play in the upper midwest for a few years now and have been really upset that the conference tournaments are being relocated up north. Their coaches and players have made comments about having to play a bunch of upper midwest teams full of white kids who play in cracker jack box stadiums. Their attendance for BB games is falling and I would be willing to bet that recruiting is getting a little more difficult now with the league migrating north away from their area. The SU's have won a few games already in the Summit tourney and have won the whole thing a couple of times already while being relatively young in DI and it is only a matter of time before they get established enough to take the place of what ORU has already done. Both SU's have more support than ORU and also have a much more rabbid fanbase. The same could be said of some of the new schools coming into the league as well. I have stated that losing ORU hurts and it isn't ideal to lose them just yet but I have seen stats that have shown that the league will still be rank about the same as it has without ORU as a member. It isn't as if ORU is a huge national power. They are simply a recognizable name for an average fan who knows a little bit about college athletics. The league will now have a group of teams very close together and some have a long history before the DI move. In time just like both of our schools they will eventually get through the first few years of being a newbie with D2 athleticism and start making some progress. USD and Omaha are replacing SUU and Centenary. USD and Omaha are better products than Centenary and Omaha just dropped FB and Wrestling so you know they aren't going to let the remaining programs fail. If anything they are going to work their rears off early to justify the move. Omaha has a lot to prove now and they are going to want to compare themselves to their local counter part in Creighton. We all know it will be a hard road for them to do that but by doing what they did they have to succeed quickly and it seems to me that they are wanting to compete for fans in that town. This move could eventually make that happen years down the road. The Summit is obviously not the Ideal conference for everyone and it is too bad that the MVC isn't more willing to make a move like the BSC. But to think that the Summit will be the worst conference in DI is far from accurate. Who knows what will happen when the big schools figure out where they are going to go. Ten years ago I didn't think either ND school would be having these types of conversations involving DI and now look where we both are today.

You also just gained Omaha and instead of Notre Dame you got St. Cloud so I believe you picked up a school you didn't really want either. You have a bad habit of grouping all NDSU fans into one. I have never dismissed your hockey titles nor would I ever. I could fire back at you with NDSU winning 8 titles in football and then wait for you do dismiss them because they are from so long ago and were won while still in D2. It can go on like this forever so why even do it? I don't understand how you justify NCC schools being in your conference because they have been in DI for a number of years while dismissing their other programs who are just making the move. They are still former NCC schools who have played pretty good hockey throughout the years and have had success at the D2 level. Now their other programs finally have an opportunity to play at the same level as their hockey teams. Why are the former NCC schools so inferior to you when they are playing in sports other than hockey? Do UNO and SCSU have different schools for the kids in hockey than the ones in all other sports? Do you think these former NCC schools would be as successful in DI hockey if there were over 300 schools participating? My point is we both have the same number of former NCC schools in our respective conferences and even a couple of the same. It is true that they have done some pretty good things in hockey but that doesn't mean that after a few years competing in DI they won't start playing some pretty good ball either. UND will eventually be playing these schools for OOC games and with the smack you are laying down you better hope they don't catch up.

The member schools were part of the former NCC in all other sports. The schools still wear the same name on their hockey jerseys as the other school sponsored athletic programs.

I completely agree with this. As far as the NCC 2.0 smack from Darrel I don't understand your angle. The NCHC has SCSU, UNO, UMD and UND in it who are all former NCC schools. Summit has NDSU, SDSU, UNO and USD. What exactly is your point or were you typing before thinking?

There are a lot of fans out there who type before they think. Travel wasn't an issue for NDSU at the time because the only options at that point were DI indy or go back to D2. I remember some heavy smack going on here about the FCS before UND left D2. I wonder if everyone still feels the same way now as they did back then? I think you switched positions on the Sioux name recently as well. Things change and so do opinions.

St. Cloud was invited to the Summit BB tourney and attended. They already have a DI hockey program that was just added to a solid conference and it appears that they are moving towards shutting down the FB program. Homecoming activities were canceled due to lack of participation. It wouldn't surprise me if they are waiting for the money to be in place for the move up before anything is said. Just drop the bomb like Omaha did.

Exactly, every school looks at it as a good place to get your feet wet before moving on to better opportunities. I disagree with a few who are saying that NDSU tried to distance themselves from the NCC. We have discussed on this board before that an attempt was made to move the whole conference up. I don't disagree that the move wouldn't have worked but many options were discussed before the SU's left. Bringing in USD and Omaha helps keep the League as stable as it can. They are pulling the conference footprint closer and have a history with a few schools who are already in the league. With ORU leaving it hurts but it is far from a death blow. It has been mentioned that the path to the NCAA's just got a little easier for the time being and as the schools get themselves better established in DI better opportunities will probably surface. With all the moving around going on right now I wouldn't be surprised if more conferences start looking to expand in the future once the big boys settle down and make their moves. ORU stuck with this League for years through all the changing that has occurred and I just don't see anyone hitting the panic button anytime soon because of their departure. If schools were leaving and none were being replaced then I would start to worry. Some schools may not be exactly what you want but I feel the majority of them are committed to their athletic departments and things will continue on just like they always have in the ever changing Summit.

It's funny because I asked myself that same question about you after reading some of your posts all over the internet the past few months. If you can't comprehend that I was joking then you already answered the question for me.

Darell said it was Little Johnny's major and Johnny said he had taken a couple of classes. I felt that it was a very good possibility that they have shared a classroom together while in persuit of the same major. Now if Little Johnny said that he was taking all of his classes online I wouldn't have asked the question.

Did you two sit next to each other in class?

I haven't read much about the enrollments between the two schools. I do know that NDAC also had high school students that counted towards overall enrollment. I have a publication that states NDAC's total enrollment in 1893 was 62 and 41 of those were HS students. 1911 saw 149 college students and 130 HS students. It wasn't until 1938 that NDAC High School was discontinued. Enrollments didn't rebound until after WWII and by that time UND had about double the enrollment of NDSU's. Funding wasn't even close prior to 1960 and in fact the state legislature nearly shut NDAC down in the late 30's by stripping away large portions of their funding and firing the administration. After that stunt the people of ND voted to create the SBoHE.

The conversation returns to football because that is the sport that most people are interested in when it comes to the NDSU-UND rivalry (title of this thread for example). If you wish to discuss another sport I am up for that conversation as well.

Before 1960 UND had a major advantage over NDSU and yet they still played the game. UND fans love to point to the series record between the two schools but ignore the fact that UND was huge compared to NDSU before the 60's. 50,000+ had graduated from UND by 1960 only 9,000 had graduated from NDSU. Now looking at those figures take a minute and think about the funding differences between the two schools back then. Was it cowardly for UND to be playing NDSU before the 60's and the un-level playing field that UND had during that time? The fact remains that NDSU still played those games and wanted to continue on with the series when they left. Your administration wanted to drive NDSU athletics into the ground for leaving the NCC and decided to make life a little harder for NDSU by not scheduling them in any sport. If the reason truely was that they didn't want to play against a team that posed an un-level playing field for them then why did they schedule UNI in 2006 and why are they scheduling up now?

You said that you live in Fargo and are a Sioux fan. Been to Sears lately Mr.1976?

http://www.kfgo.com/fargo-moorhead-news.php?ID=0000005329 I guess they are dressing as UND fans too.

I'm not jumping into that argument. He mentioned playing in tougher DI venues than NDSU in a previous post. I guess I should've replied to that one instead.

2006 NDSU vs. Minnesota: 62,845 2007 NDSU vs. Minnesota: 63,088 NDSU vs Iowa State: 48,831 NDSU vs Kansas: 48,417 UND vs. Texas Tech: 47,824 UND vs NIU: 18,046 UND vs Idaho: 11,466 Fresno State averaged 34,120 last year. NDSU averaged over 3,000 more fans per game than Idaho in 2010.

Article says a relative is at Mayville State.

All the money for the BSA renovation has to be in place before they can start. The T&F facility was a separate project. I'm not sure which area will be started first.

Rumors around are that more gift announcements will be made before the end of the school year. I also over heard Gene Taylor saying that the BSA remodel could possibly break ground next summer.