Brent_Bobyck

Funny how you don't list the date and time of my second quote. The second quote is from a few weeks back. The more I thought about it, I came to the conclusion of the first quote. Regardless, they are pretty much saying the same thing! If you read on in the second quote I said that I would like the nickname to stay. I have never once said "Yep the NCAA is right. UND should give up!" No matter how you spin my words I am saying the same thing, I am just not undecided anymore. Like Mad Man said you are not on the same page. Get your head out of the clouds and actually read my posts before you quote them. I still do mean what I said though. If the name does end up changing, it will not change the tradition and history of UND and it athletic program, but it would just take a little getting used to. My quote that you put in bold, to somehow strengthen your argument, does not argue against the first quote. I do not see anyone supporting you on this, only poking holes in your argument.

OK, ESPNInsider. Read slow because this is the last time I am going to explain this. If you do not understand after this, then I can not help you. First of all, I want UND to fight this ruling by the NCAA with every avenue that is available to them (i.e. appeal, lawsuit, etc). Now here is where it gets tricky for you ESPN. "IF" UND fails to overturn the NCAA ruling after using all of their available avenues, then why not make easy on the University & AD by changing the name. DO......YOU..........FOLLOW.......ME? It would be making it easier on UND and their AD by being able to host playoff games and not having to change their uniforms everytime they are in the playoffs somewhere else. DO........YOU...........UNDERSTAND? I feel they should fight this in the courts because the "Fighting Sioux" nickname has been the face of UND Athletics since the 1930's. I grew up following the Fighting Sioux and it would not be the same if the sports teams played under a different name. I do believe that UND uses the Fighting Sioux to honor the Native Americans of the area and I think we are hearing the voices of the "vocal minority" that oppose the name.

Both statements that you bolded are saying the same thing. Before the first statement you bolded it reads "If all other options have been exhausted." They are saying the same thing! You are running out of statements to spin. Do you work for CBS News?

My thinkings are.....If all other options have been exhausted, why not make it easier on the school & AD and change the name. They could be stubborn, keep the name, and no longer host playoff games or they can change the name. You decide. I would rather see the Alerus and the Ralph host playoff games then for us to have a nickname that we have to cover up anytime our team makes the playoffs. How far should this go? Well I have already answered that. Go as far as you can. If unsuccesful, then change the name.

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If you would read my other posts about that issue, I have stated that UND should fight the NCAA ruling by all means necessary. If all avenues have been traveled and nothing more can be done, UND needs to change the name. They should not change it just because of the meeting today like you have stated. Never did I want them to change the name immediately after the NCAA ruling came out. I said it back then and I will say it again, I want to see the name change ONLY if it means UND can never host playoff games. You spin the facts as well as Graham Kracker. Get it straight ESPNInsider.

GK, You came on here and answered everyone's questions but mine. Are you dodging me yet again?

He has been very critical of Nebraska in the last few years as they have struggled. Yes, he does love his alma mater but no more than Stuart Scott loves North Carolina or Scott Van Pelt loves Maryland. How could you not love your alma mater. I believe he has been very fair to other schools even in the Big 12 and it almost seems like he has picked on Nebraska more than normal to squash his "Nebraska Bias." Truth be told he knew all the ins and outs of college football and in my opinion is better than Kirk Herbstreit. Even though I like him I would not watch him if he joined Fox Sports. Hopefully he can land a gig on ABC and replace that loud mouth Terry Bowden. That seems doubtful thought because ABC and ESPN are both Disney owned.

You know how the saying goes..... "When the going gets tough....quit" What a sellout.

This is terrible because I really enjoyed Trev as an analyst. Here is the article from CNN.SI Trev Alberts Article

What do you mean?

Are you drunk? Hockey = 7 National Championships. Division I Football = 1 National Championship. Division II I am not taking anything away from UND Football but this is like comparing apples to oranges. If you would like to go by success and attendence then Sioux Hockey wins in a landslide. What is the point of this thread?

GK seems to be dodging the questions that he can not answer or maybe does not want to answer. All he does is post pictures of the Cleveland Indians mascot, bring back Ralph Engelstad memories, and cite a website that has not been updated in 4 years. We do not dodge your questions. Why do you dodge ours?

I realize that you do have other things going on other than this message board, as does everyone. I asked you those questions on Aug 12. I didn't get a reply until today. You didn't have time to answer my questions in that amount of time? Or were you dodging the issue? YOU have institutions like the NCAA? Are they the Political Correctness Police? Several people, including the well respected governors of North Dakota and Florida, have come out and said the NCAA has overstepped their boundries. FSU, CMU & Utah were not made to change their name. The NCAA is not as powerful as you think. OK, but what about North Dakota, South Dakota, Lakota, Sioux City, etc? I never mentioned Ralph's name. Why is he brought into the conversation? I am not trying to get anything out of you except for the answers of my questions. They are in my previous post on this thread. They are plain and simple. And you have, yet again, dodged answering them. I would love to hear your answer to the questions without getting defensive and not pulling out the "Ralph card." I am simply trying to have a debate about the issue at hand, not an argument.

The Sioux Falls question is why is it ok to have a town called Sioux Falls and Sioux City & Lakota? Why is it ok to have states named North Dakota & South Dakota? Why is it just Universities? GrahamKracker, Still Waiting............

I wish I could be there. Will be up for the Omaha game. Good times!

A staple in everyone's menu should be brauts sizzled in a "Old Style" gravy. So good.