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4 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:
The bottom line is that Parise was not going to win the Stanley Cup with the Wild. That team has been average at best from their first game in 2000. One division title in a quarter century of existence doesn't exactly scream excellence.
With the way that roster was constructed and the amount they paid him, no they were not. But to boldly state that he would've won one had he signed elsewhere is blasphemy. Simply stating that he would've won one had he signed with a past team that has won a stanley cup doesn't make any sense because those teams were put together and won because of each individual player that was there. You take out one of those players, that particular team probably doesn't win. It's called the butterfly effect.
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1 hour ago, Benny Baker said:
This is from 2015-2016. Parise was a free agent in 2012. If Parise (LW) signs in 2012, Pittsburgh never acquires Hagelin (LW) in 2015-2016 since Kunitz (LW) was Pittsburgh's other top-6 LW. There, that frees up $4 million. Also, since Pittsburgh signed Schultz in the 2015-2016 offseason for him to only play about 15 games, don't sign him either. That frees up another $4 million. I I could go on . . . but, pretty damn easy math to make both Parise and Kessel work for Pittsburgh.
Again, someone on here claimed that Parise would not have been on any teams that won the Stanley Cup. Maybe that person just really hates Zach Parise, thinks he's a cancer, and could never win the Stanley Cup anywhere he goes. I was simply trying to point out that one of the teams that did, in fact, win the Stanley Cup had offered to sign Zach Parise to a contract in 2012. Sorry that this fact got you so bent out of shape.
Have a good one.
That only makes up 8 million and by the time the Pens won it he was making 9 million annually. So who else you wanna drop to "hypothetically" fit your narrative. Also, if you drop Hagelin the pens probably don't come out of their midseason slump, as he went on a 27 point tear when he got to Pitt. Hagelin was a huge contributor for the pens in the playoffs that year, so its safe to say if they didn't have him, they don't win the Stanley Cup.
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29 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:
Kessel was traded to Pittsburgh for players from Pittsburgh's own draft pool and journeyman, Nick Spaling. Toronto also retained some of Kessel's salary making Kessel even more affordable wherever he was ultimately traded. Kessel to Pittsburgh was not some huge free agent signing; it was a trade. And since Pittsburgh would have had the trade assets even with Parise on the team, Pittsburgh could have still traded for Kessel.
And, we get it; you're a Kessel fan. I'm more of a Parise-guy myself, though.
even in your alternate reality, your incorrect.
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2 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:
Kessel was traded to Pittsburgh for players from Pittsburgh's own draft pool and journeyman, Nick Spaling. Toronto also retained some of Kessel's salary making Kessel even more affordable wherever he was ultimately traded. Kessel to Pittsburgh was not some huge free agent signing; it was a trade. And since Pittsburgh would have had the trade assets even with Parise on the team, Pittsburgh could have still traded for Kessel.
And, we get it; you're a Kessel fan. I'm more of a Parise-guy myself, though.
Toronto retained 8.4 million dollars of the 64 million 8 year deal he signed (there was 7 years left). Don't make it sound like it they got him for peanuts. Also, the Pens aren't making that trade if Parise is on the team due to having ZERO cap space left.
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5 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:
For sure. Hard for anyone to predict the future in an alternate realty. Who knows, maybe the Pens three-peat with Parise on their team?
Anyway, I was just pointing out that Parise could have played for one of the teams that won the Stanley Cup in the mid-2010s.
Your assessment is flawed. Again, if Parise signs with the Pens, they don't acquire Kessel. And what we do know is, Kessel was a HUGE reason they went back-to-back.
Your "alternate reality" is just that, an alternate reality. I might as well start saying "if Parise didn't sign with Minnesota, the Wild win 3 stanley cups" -
23 minutes ago, burd said:
So the Pens wouldn't have had to give anything up for Parise and Suter, other than cash and/or draft picks?
No but they wouldn't have been able to acquire Phil Kessel in 2015.
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37 minutes ago, Benny Baker said:
Ray Shero and the Pens were putting the full court press on Parise and Suter during the summer of 2012; Parise and Suter weren't interested. Parise would have been a two-time Stanley Cup champion in Pittsburgh.
It's easy to look back and suggest that a player could have done better elsewhere but the reality is, it's just not true. If Parise signed with the Pens, they wouldn't have been able to acquire Kessel, who was a HUGE part of them winning back-to-back Stanley Cups.
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On 6/27/2025 at 10:11 AM, Wilbur said:
I really hope Dane is steadfast in the whole "identity of our team" talk he's been throwing out to Schlossman time and again. I let my guard down when Berry would constantly bring up our #culture, and the drive to play a #fullsixty, and at the end of the day I don't think I can handle that happening again. We can't let #identity become a thing for us keyboard warriors....thankfully #ferdaoxbow didn't....
Having intense individuals added to the staff like Smaby and JPL help.
IMO, "culture" and "fullsixty" is what led to Berry's downfall.
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19 hours ago, Big Green said:
No Team would have been a contender with Him on it with the contract he signed.
When him and Sutter signed it was thought that they were cup contenders, but both him and Sutter never lived up to their contracts.
I wouldn't say neither lived up to their contracts, as those two players brought in a lot of money for the Wild. I would say the problem lied within management and wanting to make a splash in free agency rather than put together a winning team based on logic because you knew what kind of production he was going to give you. He was never going to give you 40 goals or average 100 points in a season. Parise's contract with the Wild is for a players like Ovie/McDavid (IMO). Parise was a good player but not for what he was getting paid for by the Wild.
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17 hours ago, Blackheart said:
No it doesn't; but Rowney didn't have 3 chances to bring it back either. Also, Rowney didn't have a younger brother coming in after him...David Toews played two years at UND and then left for the WHL Brandon Wheat Kings. My memory isn't great on this but I thought there was some hard feelings after David Toews left UND. I'm sure there are some historians around that remember better than me.
I guess if an ex-UND player doesn't bring the Stanley Cup back to GF, I don't look too much into it. It is there day to do whatever they want with it.
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32 minutes ago, cberkas said:
Wild were not a contender when he was there, he could have gone to other teams then the Wild or Devils.
True, the Wild were never serious contenders to win the Cup and the Devils just fell off the face off the earth after he left but its hockey, there are no guarantees that one will win a Stanley Cup. Look at the teams that won it while he was in Minnesota, I don't think he would've been on any of the teams that won it (Blackhawks, Kings, Pens, Lightning, and Caps) or played in the Finals.
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3 hours ago, cberkas said:
Parise going to Minnesota will be a move he shouldn't have done. Could have won a Cup but went to Minnesota.
I can't remember what teams were looking to sign him after NJ but how do you conclude that he would've won one? If he resigned with the Devils, he would've been worse off as the Devils were terrible (due to Lou's generosity of handing out bad contracts) after Parise left.
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On 6/20/2025 at 3:58 PM, Blackheart said:
Does Toews have any connection with UND anymore? Seems like he got pissed about something, maybe related to when his brother was at UND, and really hasn't had much to do with North Dakota since then. Did he ever bring the Cup to Grand Forks? He had 3 opportunities; don't remember that ever happening.
Just because he didn't bring the Stanley cup back to Grand Forks doesn't mean much of anything. If you look up where he brought it, you would understand his reasoning for bringing it where he brought it. Carter Rowney didn't bring it back to GF, does that mean he is pissed off at UND?
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1 minute ago, Und Princess said:
It was keep the sioux name and not be allowed to host national tournaments or change thename so they can. I look at the positive with the Hawks name we can host national tournaments.
They couldn't use the nickname in postseason games and it wasn't just national tournaments (because the NCAA wasn't hosting national tournaments on campus any longer), it was also conference postseason games and if they wore them during the postseason tournaments, the NCAA could recoup money from UND.
At the end of the day, keeping the nickname wasn't going to be an option once UND couldn't get Standing Rock to approve it.-
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2 minutes ago, tnt said:
I agree with this wholeheartedly, so maybe the committee should have put up Hawks as a sacrificial name that could be changed after a few years when the faithful saw how bad a nickname could be. Of course you would always have those that would never let go, but you would get some to accept a better, unique name with something synonymous with the state of North Dakota.
If you could come up with a multi cultural logo for Nodak, that would demonstrate the states Scandinavian, Native American and other ethnical backgrounds, it would encompass all the groups that make up the population. It could show a pride in the region rather than a negative perception of a state considered flyover country.
Having a nickname is so important (for branding purposes) that I can understand why UND wanted to push for a new one, but I think the whole no nickname wasn't long enough.
From a branding perspective the fighting hawk logo is very sharp and clean, but it lacks identity like the Fighting Sioux logo. I think more people would've been more receptive to be called the "fighting hawks" if the logo had more identity. To me, the Fighting Sioux logo was ours. It was created by a native and a resident of the great state of North Dakota and now we are stuck with a secondary logo (that logo isn't good to be upfront on anything) that was created by someone outside the state that has no ties to us other than a paycheck.-
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1 hour ago, Fratt Mattin said:
Don’t really think you can pin it on Berry. Nobody was ever going to embrace a name that generic and meaningless. On the contrary, I think it would’ve alienated a lot of fans if they had tried to force a name everyone hated down our throats.
All the other coaches had seemed to get on board with it. I dont have enough fingers or toes to count how many times a hockey player referenced "Fighting Sioux" or "Sioux Hockey" in an interview, when those players had never been associated with the fighting sioux nickname. You never heard anyone from other sports screw up like that.
Name changes are hard (especially coming from having the greatest nickname/logo) but if everyone (donors and coaches) embraces it, it can become easier. -
20 hours ago, 108498 said:
I am not on campus and do not live in North Dakota, so I couldn't know for sure, but do you feel as though the university regrets the fighting hawk mascot? It seems the hockey program in particular has distance itself from iit from the very beginning. If the program was proud of it, wouldn't that be on the jersey more?I mean vs. NODAK?
No matter what, the hockey program was never going to get behind a nickname that wasn't "Fighting Sioux". Berry was one of the worst coaches to help embrace the Fighting Hawks nickname and I think if he had embraced the Hawks nickname there wouldn't be as much complaining from the fans.
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50 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:
He was one of the "100 Greatest NHL Players" list for the 100th anniversary. With nearly 300 players in the HOF, he might not be a lock but he has a good chance.
It is a pretty exclusive club but getting elected to the hall of fame is done by a committee and no one knows how those will go. So, unless you are a player like Gretzky or Messier, nothing is guaranteed.
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1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:
Maybe not Oshie. But if Jonathan Toews isn't a Hall of Famer, then the whole thing is a farce.
Honestly, toews isn’t a sure thing in my opinion either. He wasn’t even the best player on his team his whole time in Chicago. When I think of the HoF, I think of players like Gretzky, Messier, Hull, Sakic, Roy, Etc. I would understand if he isn’t in the Hall of Fame.
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1 hour ago, Und Princess said:
I loved when Oshie played. He was my favorite player. He should be inducted into the Hall of Fame!!!
No he shouldn’t be inducted to the HOF.
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13 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:
he's a HOF? correct?
Oshie a HOF? Oshie is a good player, but he is nowhere near a HOF type player. Unless we are renaming the HOF to "Hall of good players".
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4 hours ago, Und Princess said:
Maybe they're finding the perfect time? I don't know
They will release images once UND gets them, which shouldn’t be too long. The Sioux shop has been preparing for this for awhile now by marking down the on ice authentic (and replicas).
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2 hours ago, Und Princess said:
Where did you hear that? Wouldn't they want to go with the same brand for all sports to save money?
CCM is the hockey supplier, and the styles have been somewhat leaked already. It looks like the white and blacks will say "Nodak" on them and the green one will say "north dakota", kind of like the nashville/early 90's jerseys.
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17 hours ago, SiouxFanatic said:
It’s great to be a UND fan!
Chyzk, Jax & Co. are making splashes. From what I remember, all of us here really liked what Jax had to say at his introductory press conference as HC that made us all cautiously optimistic. The recruiting they’ve been doing so far has been exemplary, don’t know how anyone can NOT be excited about this programs future!
PS Bear/McKenna? Feel free to jump on the train now!
This is the kind of excitement that our program has been missing. Berry is a good coach/person but you could tell that his recruiting had gotten “lazy” the past few years.
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If I remember correctly, his parents played a huge part in him coming to Minnesota. I can’t remember exactly but I think his dad was just starting to get sick too.