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2 hours ago, Hawkster said:
No truer words were ever spoken. No player has cost so much and delivered so little.
Jamarcus Russell
40 million in career earnings
7 wins, 18 career touchdowns
$5.7 million/win , $2.2 million/touchdown
Carson Wentz
128 million in career earnings
46 wins, 151 career touchdowns
$2.7 million/win, $864k/touchdown
Verifiably false information, embarrassing for a professional sports writer to be this bad at math.
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16 minutes ago, Hawkster said:
You don't see me complaining about Trey Lance or any of the other numerous Bison players in the NFL do you? In fact I'm happy to see guys like Watson and Volson making it big.
But that’s my point, you bring up other Bison players. If you didn’t care that Carson was an ndsu guy and you are strictly criticizing him as someone who is just overrated, why no comments from you or others about the many other overrated players in the nfl?
I’m just pointing out that your criticism must have at least something Carson being an NDSU guy, otherwise there would be other threads for the other overrated players.
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1 minute ago, Hawkster said:
That's exactly right. I don't care that he's an NDSU guy, but I do care that he's totally overrated. As to him having a SB ring, yes, but he got it standing on the sidelines. Wentz never played in the playoffs that year. I have said this before, it was the Bison that made Wentz look good and not the other way around.
If your criticism of him has nothing to do with him being an NDSU guy, where are the threads on this site devoted to the hundreds of other players in the nfl who are overrated, over paid and were drafted higher than their talent?
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47 minutes ago, ChrisUND1 said:
Most of his critics don’t really know or care that he played at NDSU. They base their takes on his performance, or lack thereof in the NFL. One of the biggest early 1st round QB busts ever?
Carson wouldn’t even be mentioned in this conversation. Do a quick google search of all time busts, none of them had half the success that Carson had. Did he have the career he or others maybe expected, no. But, he played some really good football at times in a league that has chewed up and spit out countless stars at the QB position.
Jamarcus Russel, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Heath Shuler, Rick Mirer, Andre Ware, Tim Couch, Joey Harrington, David Carr, Vince Young. All much less productive than Carson.
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It looked like the wrong call to me, but football games are full of questionable calls that change the final score, so I try not to play the what if game. All we have is reality, referees and outcomes are imperfect.
NDSU did enough to play for a championship in two weeks. Wasn’t pretty, but at this time of the year a win is a win.
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16 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
You’re clueless. UND still should’ve hosted a playoff game.
Screw NDSU and their AD Larsen
You seem like a fun guy
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13 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
Absolutely. Montana State and South Dakota State are the two programs most deserving to be in the championship in Frisco, not NDSU. How many loses does NDSU, Montana State, and SDSU have at this point? After you analyze that, you’ll see NDSU should’ve been the 4th seed … but since they’ve won 1000 FCS championships, they got preferential treatment. NDSU AD Larsen screwed UND all while elevating NDSU. Brutal. Corruption leads to more corruption. F*ck NDSU.
Mix in a water this afternoon
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3 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:
My argument is that NDSU going on the road to Sac is a lot easier than them going on the road to SDSU. What happens if Sac wins? Well they didn't, so it sounds like my argument is pretty valid. You still have yet to give me a reason as to why NDSU jumped Montana St. on the last day of the season.
Again, you have no reason to believe that ndsu has an easier chance to win at sac st than at brookings. They both would be tough matchups and you thinking otherwise is simply bias toward making this “conspiracy” and “preferential treatment” argument. I think if we play sdsu 10 times this year we win 6 or 7. I’m not scared of them in the slightest. If that penalty doesn’t happen at the end of the first half, I think we possibly beat them by two scores.
Sac St at home is exactly the type of game Ndsu struggles with. Especially with what I consider to be a weak back half of our defense.
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20 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:
Care to tell me what happens to my argument if SDSU wins?
You’re spinning yourself in circles trying to make this losing argument. What happens to your argument if sac state wins? Ndsu is on the road the way the bracket was set up. No conspiracy, no advantage, just good old fashioned upsets. You want ndsu on the road in the playoffs? You need to win games that’s it.
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12 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:
Sure, and a defense as soft as baby poop. NDSU would have rolled them by 25.
I guess we’ll never know. And if sdsu doesn’t get it together here, your argument falls apart even further.
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3 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:
Tell me you didn't watch any of their games without actually telling me you didn't. NDSU would have gone to Sac St. next weekend and won by 25.
Watched every snap and every snap of ndsu football for the last 20 years. I know what type of team gives us trouble and that’s it. Incarnate word will give us trouble too. QB who can scramble to throw and extend plays has been our kryptonite for decades.
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Just now, SiouxBoys said:
You said yourself that there are maybe 1-2 teams that can compete with NDSU at the FCS level. Assuming one of those teams is SDSU (bold, I know) are you actually saying that Sac St. was the other team?
Absolutely, this year sac state was one of those teams that I think gives ndsu a lot of trouble. They were ranked 1-2 all year.
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13 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:
Yes, cause being on the road at Sac St. and being on the road in Brookings are the exact same thing. Exact same thing. Time to start using your brain a bit here.
What, other than you wanting to make your argument makes you think SDSU in brookings is a tougher matchup than Sac St at home?
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1 minute ago, SiouxBoys said:
Congrats! Now look at Montana St. resume and tell me why NDSU jumped them on the last day of the season.
Keep this in mind, the Missouri Valley Conference was very, very, very down this year....
If those two teams are flipped, nothing changes. This is the oddest argument I’ve ever heard.
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Just now, UND-FB-FAN said:
Nice to see that the bozoville goons have congregated over here to defend ag school football … never fails
Please…
You make ridiculous claims in the hope that it’ll start a controversy and ndsu fans will show up and then you bitch when they do.
Don’t act like ndsu fans commenting here wasn’t what you hoped for.
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1 minute ago, shep said:
Again, follow the money.
The committee knows if the Bison are headed to Texas they will fill the stadium. That's a lot of fans and a lot of money.
Of course, they get preferential treatment. They earned it.
What preferential treatment? Flip ndsu with Montana state if you think that should have happened. You have the same outcome. Ndsu was set up to play a road game in the semis, just as they would have as the 4 seed. If sdsu loses today and montana state is at home for the semis, that isn’t their fault or some sort of advantage that was given to them. Sac state had their chance and blew it.
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1 minute ago, Und246 said:
Obviously NDSU is good so they earn most of what they get. But that doesn’t mean the bison should get special treatment by the committee. They don’t sometimes deserves the advantages the committee gives them.
They were set up to play on the road in the semis, sac state lost. There’s no advantage here. You think they should have been on the road in the quarterfinals?
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Just now, UND-FB-FAN said:
Holy Cross QB is gonna make SDSU work for it. SDSU very well could still win, but could be a good ball game.
again, things potentially setting up for another NDSU layup … unreal
The reality is there are only 1-2 teams at the FCS level that can compete with ndsu. Home or away doesn’t matter. FCS just isn’t that competitive. Ndsu is a shell of its former self and outside of a very small group of teams, nobody can put up a legitimate fight regardless of the location of the game.
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6 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
It’s just a broken record at this point. Home playoffs year after year … pure b*llshit
Why do you describe it as b*llshit? NDSU would have been on the road this coming weekend if Sac St could have held their home field advantage. What would you have done differently? NDSU as a 4 seed? That could have played out exactly the same as this year did with a higher seed losing at home.
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3 minutes ago, UNDColorado said:
Colorado is full of people who are not from Colorado so I don't believe this will be an issue. However, this is definitely shaking things up when it comes to the portal, NIL, etc. Should be interesting to say the least.
I understand that, but don’t you think at some point it’s possible to overdo it with transfers to the point where the identity of the team and the university it represents don’t fully align? If most of the key players on NDSU’s team were transfers that the coach brought with him or came in from other places, I would feel differently about the team I think. I’ve never viewed any transfer player differently than a player who’s been with the program from the start, but if the scales started tipping the other direction in terms of the ratio of transfers, I think I would feel different about the team.
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This Deion situation bring up an interesting discussion. Deion may have the ability to bring in a massive amount of transfers with his personality and name recognition. Hypothetically, if Deion brings in a whole new team of transfers with very few players remaining from the previous year, and wins, how would the fan base view that team?
Nothing wrong with transfers, moving forward I think it’s an integral part of a college teams recruiting plan. But where’s the line in a situation like Deion and Colorado find themselves in? How many starters get replaced before a fan base would start to feel like this is no longer their team? Is there a line? I don’t know.
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18 minutes ago, iramurphy said:
Obviously 4.3 is going to be game planned much differently than 4.6. It goes without saying that as you move up, each level from HS to D2 to FCS to FBS players at all positions tend to be bigger and faster. My point is that we have receivers that run 4.5-4.6 at we are fine at WR. Happy to have a 4.3-4.4 guy but they are rare. Your guy Watson was faster but had a rep for drops. Continued early this year but his size and speed can be game breakers when he catches the ball. I think the biggest asset for NDSU and SDSU linemen is their foot speed and athletic ability as well as their physical strength.
Without Belquist, who seems to my eye to have elite athleticism and skill, but may be a 4.5 guy(could be wrong here) you’re receiving core would be well below average.
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1 hour ago, iramurphy said:
I would rather have a WR who runs disciplined routes, can accelerate off his breaks and can catch the ball. If they can do that, 4.6 is fast enough at every level. 4.4 would be even better but 1 or 2 tenths Having been around 4 different NFL teams I think people would be surprised at how many WR and DBs are no faster than 4.6. In the first 20-30 yds there is little distance between a 4.5 guy and a 4.6 or even 4.7 guys. I want bigger, faster guys at every position, so you are correct. I believe we have enough size and speed at our offensive skill positions. I’d like to see our guys quicker OL, DL, LB and esp DB but we are where we are and I think we can still be successful.
I agree with everything you’re saying. Taking a big picture look though, 4.6 and 4.7 receivers in the nfl are the exception rather than the rule. To play at a high level at that speed you need to be elite at the other elements of being a great receiver eg. Hands, route running, situation awareness etc.
Speed isn’t everything at the position, but it matters.
As an example, running great routes doesn’t mean as much if a db can sit on routes knowing he doesn’t have to flip his hips early to cover the home run.
Speed is an element of the game that drives fear into defensive backs. Getting beat for 10-15 yards over and over again is annoying and frustrating, but it isn’t embarrassing like getting beat over the top is. When lined up against 4.3 guys, a db and/or defensive coordinator is constantly thinking about getting beat deep and that opens up a lot of other routes. Coverage gets rolled that way, a safety gets rolled to that side over the top to stop the deep ball and that’s one more player not showing up in the run game.
I agree with your premise, speed isn’t absolutely needed for success at the receiver position, but being scary fast can wreak havoc on defensive schemes without a doubt.
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37 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:
My grandson once told me, "If someone posts that they are not trolling, it almost certain that they're a troll."
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Carson Wentz taking Philly err Indy err DC by storm
in Non-collegiate sports
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Haha, I thought the same thing as I pulled it together. Ridiculous money when you put it in the frame.