Bison06
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1 hour ago, siouxweet said:
Did I go overboard? Yes. Was I outlandish? Yep. Do I still think their defense is no good? Yes. I will also give them all the credit in the world for winning #10. This was the worst Bison team to win it of the 10 and MSU had their best team ever and the Walter Payton award winner at QB and still lost. UND has a lot of work to do.
At the beginning of the year, I may have somewhat agreed with you. But this years NDSU team grew more than any I can think of in recent memory and the team that took the field on Monday night was damn good. To call a defense no good that held MSU to 3 first half points and made them completely change their game plan to move the ball is a little silly.
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15 hours ago, siouxweet said:
Have you seen the kid play? He is a runner and that is it. Has he even thrown 10 passes in his career?
Assuming you are talking about Cole Payton here, I don’t believe he will be our starter next year.
I think that will go to Hayes and from what I’ve seen and heard, he is much more of the prototypical ndsu qb from the last decade.
Obviously, a step back from Cam who ended up among the ndsu all time greats, but Hayes has the skillset to keep the offense humming if he figures it out quickly.
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7 minutes ago, homer said:
Not one SDSU fan is questioning it?
None that I’ve spoken to and I know a lot of them.
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53 minutes ago, homer said:
It’s even funnier that you keep coming back here to justify the ranking.
Reality is 2,3 and 4 could have been ranked in any order and a case could have been made. You can’t fault UND fans for questioning Lason on the committee based on recent decisions. I personally do think the AQ for a conference should count for something and is a good point I never thought of before.
SDSU fans aren’t even questioning the rankings, yet UND fans are.
The AQ is decided by the conference, the rankings have nothing to do with that.
Also, if you’ve read my posts, I’ve said literally word for word what you just posted. 2,3,4 could have been in any order. Yet they chose ndsu 2, sdsu 3, usd 4. Do you think they just flipped a coin? No, they looked at SoS and clearly discounted DII wins. Which part of what I’ve said do you disagree with?
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44 minutes ago, FSSD said:
SDSU - #4 USD, #6 Incarnate Word, non Playoff Team SE La. (MR 29/SR 32 - 50.50) NOTE: SE La. 4 wins against Top70. Two FBS games more than likely kept them out of the playoffs.
NDSU - #3 SDSU, #12 ISU-r, nonSeed Ten St (MR 46/SR 39 - 49.51) NOTE: Ten St 1 win against a Top 70 Team - No FBS games - and bakery full of cup cakes. Ten St. in the playoffs pure politics.
Your 3 playoff team is pure BS.
Massey Ranking - MR
Saragin Rating - SR
It’s funny you keep having this discussion and yet we already know how the committee ranked these teams. The outcome is already decided and you want to re-litigate it, for what purpose? Clearly the committee, whose job it is to rank these teams discounted SDSU SoS. If anything, you arguing that SDSU had a better SoS than NDSU only further bolsters my point that the committee discounted SDSU for the DII game.
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48 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:
NDSU had a tight game against a ranked FBS team and didn’t play a D2.
And beat 3 playoff teams. Not sure why this is even a discussion honestly.
Augie could become DII national champs and in the eyes of the committee, NDSU beating Tennessee state is a better win than SDSU beating Augie.
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58 minutes ago, wheelsup said:
This is really splitting hairs as Ive said multiple times but I would have done it in the order that you listed (USD, SDSU, NDSU). The 3 teams USD, NDSU, SDSU are all very close.. I would even throw UC Davis in there as well as 4 teams that all have pretty much the same resume and a great argument for the #2 seed.
Personally, I dont understand leaving USD as the #4 seed after they beat the #1 seed.. that just doesnt make sense to me. Its not like they were the #20.. They moved up 0 spots after beating the #1 seed. My argument (again its super close).. they were 1, 3, 4 heading into the weekend.. 2,3 and 4 all win the last weekend of the year.. 2 moves up to 1.. 4 jumps 3 based on the magnitude of win and how close the 3 versus 4 game was (OT) and based on the head to head game (4 versus 1) literally the day before, USD has to be higher than NDSU.
If you swapped your favorite team into the #4 seed heading into that game... every single one of us would say the #4 should now be #2.. NDSU and SDSU are getting credit for name recognition/previous years. This hair splitting about strength of schedule boarders on a discussion about quality losses.. (this is just my opinion)
I think you could put those three teams in any order and could’ve justified it.
Being as objective as I can be, I still think NDSU has the best claim to the #2 seed given their entire body of work. USD’s only win against a playoff team was Saturday. NDSU was 3-1 against playoff teams. As far as I’m aware there is no consideration given for recency of win/loss.
We could go round and round all day, but as I said, they could have put them in any order and made a good argument for that order.
edit:USD also beat Drake, so they are 2-1 against playoff teams.
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43 minutes ago, wheelsup said:
they lost their last regular season game to a team that is very close. The resumes are very close... I would get the point if you were talking about Illinois State resume but USD, SDSU and NDSU resumes are very close. If the shoe was on the other foot the bison fans would be screaming about how unfair it is... I remember when head to head used to be a pretty key criteria..
How would you have ranked them?
USD #2, SDSU #3, NDSU #4?
By your logic then, how do you put SDSU ahead of NDSU? And how do you put USD ahead of SDSU?
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51 minutes ago, FSSD said:
I believe your comments about DII is incorrect. It is DII wins that don't count toward the 6 DI wins required to be eligiable for the playoffs. SDSU and USD have far more than 6 DI wins. There is no little difference in quality of oppenet when playing a quality DII team vs PL or Big South/OVC/Pat, MEAC, SWAC, NEC teams in general. Have any of you tried to watch a NEC or PL game. It is my understanding that all members get spliced game film to review on a weekly basis. They are watching all of the games.
NOTE: At one point, I believe that DII wins counted a 1/2 win toward eligiablitiliy. Otherwise, opponets are evaluated the same.
The Tiers of FCS:
MVFC/Big Sky (2 of 14) - MVFC very similiar to a number of G5 conferences.
Big drop to what is the Avg FCS conferences (6/14) - CAA, United, Southern, Ivy, Southland and Big South.
Massive drop - DII and lower - (6/14 43% of FCS) Pat, MEAC, SWAC E/W, NEC and PL
Here are the Sargin Conference Rantings.
7 SUN BELT EAST (A) = 65.28 64.95 ( 7) 7 64.95 ( 7) 8 MOUNTAIN WEST (A) = 63.02 63.95 ( 8) 12 63.95 ( 8) 9 AMERICAN ATHLETIC (A) = 62.90 62.89 ( 9) 14 62.89 ( 9) 10 SUN BELT WEST (A) = 62.23 61.88 ( 10) 7 61.88 ( 10) 11 MAC (A) = 57.73 57.40 ( 11) 12 57.40 ( 11) 12 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)= 56.22 56.79 ( 12) 10 56.79 ( 12) 13 CONF-USA (A) = 55.72 55.93 ( 13) 10 55.93 ( 13) 14 I-AA=>I-A (Aa)= 55.70 55.70 ( 14) 2 55.70 ( 14) 15 BIG SKY (AA)= 52.34 52.24 ( 15) 12 52.24 ( 15) The drop off is steep at this point 16 COASTAL (AA)= 47.50 46.93 ( 16) 15 46.93 ( 16) 17 UNITED ATHLETIC (AA)= 47.25 46.73 ( 17) 9 46.73 ( 17) 18 SOUTHERN (AA)= 46.45 46.38 ( 18) 9 46.38 ( 18) 19 IVY LEAGUE (AA)= 46.34 46.32 ( 19) 8 46.32 ( 19) 20 SOUTHLAND (AA)= 45.77 44.93 ( 21) 9 44.93 ( 21) 21 BIG SOUTH/OVC (AA)= 44.72 44.93 ( 20) 9 44.93 ( 20) Insert any number of DII conferences at this point. If not higher 22 PATRIOT (AA)= 40.73 41.04 ( 22) 7 41.04 ( 22) 23 MEAC (AA)= 39.30 39.67 ( 23) 6 39.67 ( 23) 24 SWAC-EAST (AA)= 38.73 38.52 ( 25) 6 38.52 ( 25) 25 I-AA IND. (AA)= 38.65 38.65 ( 24) 2 38.65 ( 24) 26 NORTHEAST (AA)= 36.71 36.58 ( 26) 8 36.58 ( 26) 27 SWAC-WEST (AA)= 35.88 35.22 ( 27) 6 35.22 ( 27) 28 PIONEER (AA)= 35.18 34.59 ( 28) 11 34.59 ( 28)
I appreciate the work your putting in here to make your point.
When three teams have essentially the same resume and have all beaten each other, how would you propose they be separated by the committee?
We’re definitely splitting hairs, but NDSU in my mind had a clear advantage in SoS and apparently the committee saw it the same way. It doesn’t matter how good the DII teams are, they are a lower level and are viewed as such when it comes time for playoff seeding. It’s really as simple as that.
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49 minutes ago, FSSD said:
As I stated on here previously, if those schools all agreed on how to break a tie given this exact scenario for the AQ. Why wouldn't the conference rep carry those wishes to the commitee. Why would the conference want the Big Sky and other conferences to have a decision? All the other conference don't want the MVFC domination to continue. They are simply looking out for their conferences best interests. Have you even looked at the qaulifications of the committee members - what a scary group.
In addition, IMO SDSU is playing the best football right now. They look locked and loaded and why shouldn't they be the #2 team. Winning in Fargo is not going to be easy and draggin the Bison down to Brookings in late Dec would be a much better match-up for SDSU. The Big Sky and Montana St got exactly what they want. SDSU their biggest threat going on the road in the semifinals. I don't understand rewarding a team who !@#$ the bed when they could have won it all and claimed the #1 seed easly. Did you see that secondary with multiple blown assignments? Players literally standing by themselves waiting for passes to reach them. Coaching staff pissing there pants at crunch time. Yep, let's give them the # 2 seed.
Again, my position #1 MSU, #2 SDSU, #3 USD and #4 NDSU
And all this BS about D-II scheduling is pure crap. Teams in the NSIC, GLV or RMAC would beat 50% of the FCS. This is FCS football we are talking about. Maybe 50 of the 100 or so teams playing at this level care about football. The formation of FCS football is for schools who care about other sports more than football and to parse D-II vs FCS teams is a fools errand. Anyway cheering for a SDSU/USD Frisco final. Let's see it happen.
MVFC agreements are apparently not part of the committee’s decision making process so to bring them up isn’t relevant. I also cant get on board with your opinions on DII wins. Competitive programs in DII is irrelevant, this is a known criterion for the FCS playoffs and teams scheduling DII teams knew they were risking lowering their playoff seeding potential if this scenario played out exactly like it has.
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13 minutes ago, Kab said:
Amazing how ndsu fans come here to spread their bull sh it
What bull$%!# is that? Seemed like a pretty good discussion filled with factual information.
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1 minute ago, FSSD said:
You and I can go back and fourth finding stats. What I am saying is that agreements matter, your word matters. So, the agreement that NDSU/SDSU/USD and all of the MVFC had on how to decide this exact scenario should be followed through to it logical conclusion. SDSU is the AQ. If a seed comes down to three conference schools for that seed. It should go to the AQ. SDSU has every right to be upset and should be calling out the conference commionsioner....
Let's see, what has Larson done since he has been conference rep... allowed the breaking of rules on hosting home games (impacting a conference rival UND) which has lead to a complete reworking of the playoffs system. Now, completely ignoring a conference AQ. (once again impacting a conference rival SDSU) At this point, it really calls into question how is he representing the best interests of the MVFC? It is clear he has no integrity. And at this point IMO, the school President needs to start asking questions. As all NDSU fans say, athletics is the front proch of the school. What message is he sending on behalf of the school? Agreements don't matter. Really?!?
You make good points. Did their agreement extend to seeding? I honestly don’t know.
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Just now, FSSD said:
Stay on point, you asked for my approach. I layed it out for you. What does recency have to due with what I posted?
Responded to a few different posts. Sorry ill address your post directly.
As I’ve said, I think you could have put them in any order 2-4 and an argument could be made. Strength of schedule ndsu is the clear winner, so I have to imagine that was the conversation behind closed doors.
I’m not arguing that it’s obvious that ndsu is head and shoulders above the other two. I’m saying that with the way the season played out, the margin between those three teams is minuscule and it appears SoS is what separated them. This makes the most sense to me.
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2 minutes ago, FSSD said:
I was simply calling out your flawed logic. I would go #2 SDSU they are the AQ. All schools agreed on this approach prior to the season. Seems simple to me. After that you compare NDSU and USD. Yesterday answered that and you said Head to Head matters. So, I would put USD #3. And NDSU #4, they knew the AQ rules at the start of the season. And they had everything in front of them and they literally !@#$ the bed.
I could be wrong, but where does recency of loss come into play in the criteria?
the three teams were basically tied. The strength of schedule is what separated them.
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Just now, wheelsup said:
Ndsu had a case for the #2.. but it was an absolute gift.. there was little to no separation between NDSU, SDSU and USD.. purely based on their head to head and recency I would give it to USD. All three head to head games were super close and the strength of schedules were also very comparable.. I just happen to believe beating NDSU and losing to SDSU in overtime is better than either of the other twos case.. they both got extra credit for more name recognition
D2 wins don’t count, so ndsu has one more DI win. This isn’t a conspiracy
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Just now, UND-FB-FAN said:
Biased? Absolutely, and that’s not changing.
You know who is also biased? Matt Larsen, NDSU AD, who is on the selection committee. He’s as corrupt as the school he represents, so I’m going with that as the explanation for NDSU No. 2.Ndsu bad, I get it.
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Just now, FSSD said:
But USD can't jump NDSU due to head to head?
It’s a 3 way tie with the teams beating each other so how would you have separated them?
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6 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
It was gifted. It terms of recency, strong arguments for USD and SDSU to be higher than NDSU. USD beat NDSU head-to-head just yesterday and SDSU is most recent back-to-back national champions. Sure, I understand those aren’t the “criteria”, but still crap that NDSU and their arrogant asshole fans are again *gifted* with more home games.
Earned not gifted. Your anti ndsu bias is clouding your judgement. Ndsu had the best strength of schedule in the country and didn’t have a D2 win.
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5 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:
Montana State with #1 seed and NDSU gets #2 seed. SDSU #3 and South Dakota with #4.
could be big time semi-final games, but NDSU again gifted with home games though out playoffs is tough … Potential SDSU @ NDSU in semifinal would be a big rematch from regular season … tough to win in the dome though. Hate that NDSU is again and again gifted with home playoff games …
Gifted isn’t the right word. Could have swapped 2,3,4 in any order and nobody would really have a strong complaint. SDSU can’t jump NDSU with the head to head and usd can’t jump sdsu with their head to head. The D2 wins were the difference I’d imagine.
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38 minutes ago, wheelsup said:
He was lined up as the TE.. not left tackle. And he clearly went out for a pass. whether he reported or not I have no idea.. he is either the most lost OL player in history or an actual eligible receiver.
He looks lined up as the left tackle here to me.
#62 C, #73 LG
Now I’m curious what the play call was. He blocks down and climbs to the second level like he was run blocking. Maybe it was some sort of RPO.
My guess is this was a designed run that was supposed hit the left side. Right Guard pulls and the running back blocks left. That makes sense with how the left tackle blocked. I think the QB saw the play blown up and panicked so he just threw it up. This looks like a designed run play to me. -
4 hours ago, Mama Sue said:
I did a simple Google search. Average $2,716 for all colleges, all sports. BUT college football players are much more “marketable?”. Average in Big10 $216,000 and SEC $565,000…football is BIG in the south. These figures do not reflect other benefits….like a highly recruited 4 star player driving a new $90,000 Dodge Ram pick up the afternoon he signed. I also saw the lowest paid person was $67. Not sure what year this is….social media is reporting $1M now, for what it is worth.
I never said anything about specific sports, I was speaking about all NIL deals and you asked me what I was smoking. Of course if you look at the highest paid players in the premier conference in the highest revenue sport that will be higher. That’s how averages work.
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14 minutes ago, UND Football Fan said:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/08/31/business/nil-money-ncaa.html
If I would guess bigger conferences give more money. I know an athlete going to a Power 5 school getting offered 6 figures.
Of course the big dollar deals will be the ones that get the most attention. The reality is there are nearly 200k Division I NCAA athletes. An extremely small amount of them are making what I would consider big NIL money. As I’ve stated, the vast majority of these NIL deals are just helping kids pay their rent and living expenses. Allowing student athletes to benefit from their own value in the free market was long overdue.
Why shouldn’t a college volleyball player be able to go back to her hometown in the summer and run a camp? Why shouldn’t a business be able pay a cross country runner to mention their business on his social media account for a couple of hundred bucks? Even high school kids can do this if someone is willing to pay for it.
NIL “salaries” are a different animal and will eventually be handled with some sort of contracts in my opinion.
But, overall, an athlete having their own name, image and likeness rights is a significant move in the right direction.
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1 hour ago, Mama Sue said:
What have you been smoking? I would be very surprised if average NIL is 3K now. Not sure when the study was done. I still do not like the whole concept but it is here to stay.
Most people would do a simple google search before making a fool of themselves on a public forum, but not you. Good for you for not caring what the world thinks of you.
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2 hours ago, shep said:
I agree that the NCAA is a money whore and corrupt.
But I also think college free agency is not the answer.
In the near future there will be collective bargaining thereby all but ending amateur athletics. I foresee pro teams getting farm teams like MLB.
This will squeeze out lots of players and teams.
just my opinion
I agree.
It’s interesting that football is the only major sport that doesn’t have a viable alternative path to a professional league beyond being an ncaa athlete. Hockey, baseball, basketball(Europe/G league) all have additional paths. Football needs to adapt, there are hundreds of kids on college football teams right now that are only enrolled in college because they have to be. They just want their shot at the nfl.
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Great, how exciting that made the game! And without the amazing first half defensively, 29 second half points would’ve been good enough to win. Good thing they play all four quarters of a football game to decide a winner.