Bison06
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2 minutes ago, Mama Sue said:
Your point? Insulting fans?
My point is I didn’t realize I was discussing the significance of an historic football season in the annals of history with some folks who aren’t actually fans of FCS football. If we took a poll of this forum and people who got introduced to UND football 50+ years ago and have been lifelong fans as a result of those early experiences, my bet would be many people would remember the late 60’s and early 70’s seasons. Yet we have a “fan” who thinks this season won’t be remembered by anyone other than “the players and their parents”
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34 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:
What argument am I “conflating?”
I’m just responding to your statements, which I happen to think are ridiculous.No one other than the winning team and their families are going to remember, let alone care who won the spring 2021 FCS title 50 years from now.
Having fans like you is the reason why people say UND is a hockey school. Constantly downplaying football and in its significance at the FCS level. Sure it isn’t Ohio state vs Alabama, but if you’re a fan it means something to you and you’ll remember.People care, you might not, but people care. 50 years isn’t that long, 1971 season isn’t that long ago, I’m sure many on this board remember games from the 60s-70s.
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32 minutes ago, FlinFlan80 said:
Someone is preparing for the downfall of his beloved program......Championships are championships. I guarantee if NDSU wins this thing you certainly won't be sad. Quit whining, embrace the different, and suck it up.
Straw man
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It’s funny sometimes on message boards you get stuck arguing a point vehemently that is so meaningless and doesn’t even matter to me or to I’m sure any of you, I mean who the hell cares, but it’s entertainment and I like to talk sports.
If anyone is a fan of the late, great Mitch Hedburg, these discussions always remind me of his “that tree is far away” joke.
Go to 5 minutes or listen to the whole thing if you need a laugh.
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28 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said:
Totally disagree. 10 years from now it will be a championship like any other.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one it appears.
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1 hour ago, Siouxphan27 said:
Actually, I’d have zero nickels.
You are delusional if you think anyone is complaining about the legitimacy of the 1918 ncaa football title.
As usual you conflate two arguments to make your point seem relevant. I never said people are complaining about past champions, simply that there is a clear conversation that gets had every time certain years get brought up. Every NFL fan on the planet knows the 1987 season had replacement players and that season is completely different than others and that didn’t have nearly the impact that this years FCS season has as only a few games were effected. We have teams completely opting out of the season, we have significant impact players who would have been on the squads normally(fall season) not playing this spring.
This season’s champion will on paper be a championship like any other, but FCS fans will always look at this championship differently, especially if a very unexpected team ends up winning the title.
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7 hours ago, nodakvindy said:
Trust me, it won't. Do you remember the Redskins Super Bowl wins any less because they came in strike seasons. Or the Dodgers 1981 World Series win. Same with Stanley Cup or NBA Champs in lockout shortened seasons. Once the banner goes up and the rings are fitted, its a title.
You’ve made my point for me. Every time one of those seasons gets mentioned, they provide a caveat of “lockout shortened year”, that is by definition an asterisk.
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9 hours ago, Siouxphan27 said:
If I had a nickel for every time I heard someone complain about the legitimacy of the 1918 NCAA football champions...
You’d be a wealthy man.
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8 hours ago, Sioux94 said:
So I guess in your mind Alabama's win over Ohio State this year has an asterisk.
Absolutely it does. It’s only lessened by the fact that everybody expected Alabama to win anyway. What if Alabama had the same covid trouble as some of the big ten teams? Ohio State played half a season and then have your best two d lineman out because of covid testing protocols. If Alabama played half a season and some of their best players were out for a playoff game, people would without a doubt have put an asterisk next to an Ohio State or a Notre Dame title.
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1 hour ago, Siouxphan27 said:
As i mentioned, it doesn't matter what a person's opinion is; it's up to the NCAA. If it were based on personal opinion, there's a couple of recent championships that i would certainly put an asterisk next to. But it's not up to me.
This is a ridiculous standard. The NCAA would never put an asterisk on their own championship.
We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
The NCAA never even officially put an asterisk on the 1918 season. Check out the records for that year.
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21 minutes ago, Mama Sue said:
If the JuiceU fans are so important, why do they start “disagreements “ on this forum? Things always deteriorate to the lowest common denominator of this forum..... I enjoy reading all these high level football comments .... but JuiceU comments seem to add insult to injury.
Go bask in your glory on your own forums.... and geaux Sioux is not a dick unless provoked....
Who is claiming to be “so important”?
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6 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:
You sure about that? Fat stupid and lazy seems to fit the Bill pretty well.
Hmmm, I suppose you could argue that I’m stupid, but I’m neither fat nor lazy.
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I’m not sure I even follow the point here. Whether NDSU did or did not add a wrinkle for this game? What does it mean if they did? I don’t understand why this even matters.
As if adding some sort of special game plan means that the coaches took the game seriously? That’s absurd.
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1 minute ago, UND1983 said:
Had you seen that part of their offense this season? I would say they changed it a bit but what do I know.
I mean, of course they changed it, they change it every game to suit the team they’re playing. Clearly the offensive staff for NDSU saw a weak point and successfully exploited it. This week they’ll do the same thing, but that weak point might be different than it was this week.
For the record, I’ve always held firm, even through 03-15 when the schools weren’t playing that UND is NDSUs biggest rival. I’ll I’ve said is I doubt the players see it that way since they’ve never played in the game or when they have UND wasn’t as competitive as they historically have been.
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14 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
They dramatically changed their offense for UND. No thought put into this game at all.......
dramatically changed the offense? I believe that is referred to as gameplanning, it happens every week.
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6 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said:
You mean their running game finally woke up?!?!?!? Not denying that to be key for NDSU going forward but the passing game is still worse than even UND’s! NDSU has shown some life finally by they have a long way back if that passing doesn’t get any better. My prediction is 1-2 but I could see them going 2-1
It’s hard to say what’s working and what isn’t when you are so successful with the running attack that you don’t even go to the passing game hardly at all. I have no illusions about Zeb being all of a sudden a stud, but with each passing week these guys get more practice together, more game experience etc. It seems to be coming together a bit.
As far as a playoff run, who knows. I haven’t seen a single team that looks head and shoulders above the rest. This years playoffs will be a get in and see how it all plays out. Could be interesting.
If the NDSU team that played on Saturday keeps showing up, I’d say that have as good as of a chance as anyone to make a run at the title.
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5 minutes ago, Sioux94 said:
Are you on the FCS Fans Nation page on FB? The question about if this season should have an asterisk on it was posed last week, most everybody said no it shouldn't and a lot of those people were NDSU fans. If all sorts of teams start shutting it down, then maybe. But if it's teams that have losing seasons shutting it down, they wouldn't have been in the playoffs anyway.
I am. The problem with that is those losing teams in a normal season would still have to play the games. Illinois state shutting it down early has a ripple effect on everyone in the league. Advantages and disadvantages.
I suppose reasonable people can disagree on this one, but I don’t see any way that FCS history just doesn’t look at the 2020 season as an asterisk or whatever you’d like to call it. This season is different than any that came before it and any(hopefully) that will come after. The simple fact that a team is a playing less games is enough for me to say this season somehow means less. And I’ll say the same thing if NDSU wins the title.
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2 minutes ago, UND1983 said:
I think you're overstating their emergence. They won't be able to run that package vs everyone else. it worked vs UND cause they are smaller and it was new. At some point Zeb needs to throw again and other running backs have to play, like the weeks before when they could barely move the ball.
You could be right, but to my eye, they seemed to turn a corner in their understanding of how to run this offense. Every team comes together at different times and it looked like to me Saturday could be a turning point.
Also, I’ve been watching these teams all play each other for a long time, I don’t see any reason why Luepke wouldn’t be effective against the upcoming schedule. Might be hard to repeat this weekends performance, but he isn’t some sort of gimmick that only works against UND’s defense.
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1 minute ago, SWSiouxMN said:
You should beat USD and UNI. SDSU will be a toss up.
I agree. SDSU is a toss up almost every year for ndsu regardless of records.
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1 hour ago, Sioux>Bison said:
Monday morning recap:
UND shot the bed and was exposed that this young team has much to work on. UND defense has been exposed the last two weeks and they need to step up to win these last should/must win games.
NDSU is not the best team in the valley and could go 0-3 the next few weeks. They are barely one dimensional as of last week. All three D lines in the upcoming games are going to be better than UND and will shut the run down. Good thing NDSU won the Siouxper bowl because that could be the last highlight of the season for them.......
Obviously I’m biased, but I see it the opposite for NDSU, they finally woke up last week and I see them continuing that moving forward. They seemed to find a rhythm that wasn’t there previously and I think they are gonna be dangerous moving forward. I see them rattling off some wins 3-0 or 2-1 the next few weeks is what I expect.
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10 minutes ago, homer said:
When people look back at 2020, the champion of FCS football will be the last thing they think about.
Surprised the players on NDSUs roster played as hard as they did Saturday since it’s a slightly lesser season.
Who said they played hard?
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1 minute ago, Siouxphan27 said:
I was just stating a fact as to how the NCAA will handle it. You are welcome to your opinions and what you think might make it a legitimate season or not in your eyes.
And of course it’s not a normal season, we can all see that.1 minute ago, Dustin said:I don't think people are saying the season is "normal," but it is the season we are allowed to play. I'll ask you this: why are the Bison playing?
Maybe it comes down to what peoples definition of an asterisk is I suppose. A “not normal” season for me is an asterisk. It doesnt fully delegitimize the championship for the winner, but I do believe history will see the 2020 champion as slightly lesser than given the circumstances.
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24 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:
Unless the NCAA puts an official asterisk on it, (and they won’t) it will be considered a championship just like all the others.
People here love to disagree with me simply because I have Bison in my handle. If you stop for a minute and look at what is happening right now around the country, teams opting out, a lot of teams choosing not to play at all, many seniors opting out of the season, random bye weeks as a result of teams opting out you’ll see that this isn’t a normal season and won’t be seen as such.
And, by the way, we aren’t at the end yet. Playoff games could easily get cancelled due to covid.
Is it because UND is having a good season or why are UND fans so opposed to the idea that this simply isn’t a normal season?
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4 hours ago, UNDMOORHEAD said:
Could it be argued that winning the championship this season is more impressive than in a normal season? I think the adverse circumstances for athletes and coaches due to Covid probably make it harder to focus on what needs to be done on and off the field. I'm just trying to see the other side of the argument.
It could be argued, but I would counter it with, as long as the playoffs actually happen, somebody has to be named champion. Regardless of the quality of play throughout the season, a champion will be named. If there were some threshold of quality to be reached then I’d agree with you.
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But I’m not a current player or a parent of a current player so how would I remember it?