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Winners today: Grovers, Tornados, Eagles in an upset, Miners. New Town will keep it close and sneak it out or they will get blown out.

You make some great and valid point in all of this.

Getting back to the RVU and CF this is why you have primary care providers, pediatricians and family practice docs as examples, seeing patients every 10-15 minutes. More RVU volume to offset the much lower CF as compared to their subspecialty/surgeon counterparts whose CF is at a much higher dollar amount per RVU.

OK smokey the watchmaker...I'll bite. Factoring in all federal, state and local taxes the bottom 20% of household incomes pay on average of 16% of their overall income in taxes. Furthermore the top 40% of income earners pay 106% of ALL income taxes and the bottom 40%...negative 9%. Meaning they are getting money back in a refund or "subsidy" at a rate higher than what they put in. Again this has nothing to do with this thread but welcome back...under your 5th moniker. No one on this site has used "Bush I" other than you.

Been in on some of those conversation albeit probably not at nearly high a level as you but I agree with your take above.

This is where we see it differently. Any idea how many millions people with be put into the state's Medicaid systems if the ACA moves forward as planned? Any concept on what the "subsidies" are for those in those programs? And at the cost to whom will all these millions get their "subsidies" from? And you want to equate the tax break someone gets on mortgage interest as apples to apples?

Breaks are different than handouts and entitlements IMO. If one pays a 1/4 or a 1/3 of their income in federal taxes and someone else pays nothing...zero...into that federal tax pot................ I think we will have to agree to disagree on this so it doesn't go down a political tangent it shouldn't go down. Back on topic...anything yzerman puts in this space...read it and take the time to understand it.

Well said...but I'll dumb it down. A level 3 established patient office visit (CPT 99213) gets paid from Medicare the same amount whether it is provided by a family practice MD, Neurologist or Ortho surgeon. Yet the CF for the same service level provided is typically greater, and negotiated, for surgeons, then non surgical specialist then primary care providers.

I have no doubt you have.

Ummmmmmm...Kathleen Sebelius just texted me. She wants to talk to you!!

I fold...all the chips in the middle are yours!

And more and more providers are now being paid on a RVU system...which has little to do with what a hospital and/or clinic is getting paid by insurance companies for those provider services.

Seriously?? This thread was an initial discussion about NDBCBS and a rate hike. yzerman19 gave a thoughtful and educated explanation I thought. We could turn this political on "subsidies" but don't think that would get us anywhere. Bottomline is if one doesn't have an educated and informed understanding of healthcare insurance or the ACA this conversation will won't be productive either.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm...I guess that's one take on this albeit a misinformed and misguided one.

Are 'lil Shep and Anderson officiating?

It's a physical mismatch. EGF is just being the _____ out of Orono.

For all of you who seem to want to use an ignorant broad brush on this issue please READ yzerman19's posts.

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Well played Mauer, well played. And they don't make movies like Airplane anymore. Classics!

How about I swap you my Frattin #21 King's jersey for 1D tickets! BTW...still have 2 tickets left for this Friday. (Another MM thread hijack)

Seriously!!!! Deal..................

Can you say "3 strikes and you are out"?! He needs to stay healthy and produce to stay up from here on out.

2 tickets are sold. 2 still available. $80 for the pair.

Change in family plans for this Friday so have 4 seats in Sec. 110 Row J available for this Friday. $160 for all 4 seats. PM or text me: 701-261-3501. TIckets in Fargo but can be mailed out today at noon.

At least the income from that wind farm will help me pay for the 13.5% hike in my NDBCBS premiums!