Oxbow6

I'll check the box "Yes" for you that MN will have a third of all US deaths. Your number manipulation in this thread is impressive though.

Way to dodge the question. What does NY have to do with MN? You might as well bring Italy back into the conversation.

So again the "experts" have 60k+ deaths nationwide by 8/4 and MN will have a third of that total???

Really.....in a normal year around 115K die from suicides and drug ODs. Plus on average 2.5% of deaths in US are alcohol related. Got it. Collateral damage. What's "proper guidance" weeks or months from now when millions have lost everything?

We have 18K deaths over 12 weeks. We have 17M unemployed over 3 weeks. Those are concrete numbers.

Once this blows over do you think the indirect deaths will out number the direct? The death rate of suicide or a drug OD death is 100%.

Completely misleading. The coronavirus "season" started in this country around 12 weeks ago which puts the average around 220 deaths per day. I'm sure that average will unfortunately climb as time goes on.

Etiology is a cause. Judgment is a sensible conclusion. IMO the death total will be overestimated due to conclusions....not actual cause. On the topic of sensible conclusions I can't wait to heard from Fauci and Birx today........

From a published article from the Marshfield (WI) Clinic. A system I am very familiar with. "Etiologically specific" doesn't encompass "probable" or "presumed". To normally label the cause of death based on "probable" or "presumed" is lazy and misleading. But if it's required to make the COVID numbers work so be it.

I left a few years ago. I knew some of those involved but from some I know well who are still members there it's nothing short of comical. Frat party atmosphere gone bad.

The Fargo Fear-um predicted a few weeks ago a top 5 flood. With lockdown glad we did have to deal with that projection and the possible sandbagging.

If you're talking 20000 restaurants jobs lost in MN that will never open their doors again or won't make after reopening.....I will take the over. Way over. Those people make up about 10% of the state's workforce.

Well if you are cleaning windshields on an off ramp of 35W for some spare change and someone runs you over we know what killed you.

Wow......didn't know she was now not an "expert" when addressing the nation. So to recap....... Dr. Birx......fake news Dr. Jensen......fake news.

So you have not been feeling well for a few day. Headache, occasional cough and mild fever but on the way to the grocery store you are involved in an auto accident, severely injured. Rushed to hospital. You report your "not feeling well" symptoms plus your symptoms from the accident to hospital staff on admission . They record a fever during your work up. Blood work done. You have COVID. You die in the hospital. What's put on the death certificate as cause of death?

Somebody better let Cuomo know what really going on then.

Laura Ingraham is on hold....line 2. Dr. Scott Jensen is on hold as well....line 3. Misinformation?? Go ahead and discredit a doctor that goes on the record locally and nationally but make sure you reference an article that basically says if you have a fever, a cough or shortness of breath and you die at home it has to be from COVID.

Those are good questions.......I don't have the answers. What I do know is this current environment is not sustainable much past 4/30. You're a projections type guy........34-47M unemployed is the projection when this has blown over. Question......is 34M out of work a fair trade off for 60K+ deaths when 94.1% of those 60K+ death are people over 70 years old??? Again I don't have the answer for that but I'm sure you do.

Infected or died? People get sick all the time. I know multiple people "stricken" from this virus.

IIRC you're in your 70s so you can stay at home as long at you want. Society would be better served from it. That's a ridiculous question from someone who sees this a single issue crisis.

Jobless claims at 6.61M today. New record. Roughly 16.5M out of work since this crisis started. Real life lives being destroyed. Let this soak in...1100 times as many people have lost their jobs vs those that have died from COVID as of this morning.

Just listened to Dr. Jensen in an interview...........might be how Walz is looking at 12x (minimum) the IHME projections.

Weekly jobless claims report comes out tomorrow morning at 830 ET. Last week claims were at 6.6M. Under/over tomorrow? I'll take the over. This needs to end!

They must be under the directive of someone in Germany.