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"Pro-communist ideals"? Yeah, that's not hysterical. If you're getting offended by comments on this board, then click the mouse button somewhere else. It seems quite simple to me. Ask all the budgetary questions you want, just don't hijack every thread. Keep it here. If Jim didn't want discourse on the subject, he would've likely banned your rear-end a number of weeks ago.

To me, the whole thing seems like yet another layer of bureaucracy that should be eliminated. What a waste of taxpayer money.

If you're comparing the Frozen Four and the College World Series, I agree. I'm sure we'll be seeing the Jacks and Bison making regular appearances in Omaha very soon. Let me get this straight. Baseball is more popular where the weather is warm, and hockey is a bigger deal where the weather is colder? Got it. Football and basketball are bigger on the national stage than other sports? Great stuff. Very relevant. You're something else, Mr. Gloom & Doom. UND has had several years in it's athletic history where both hockey and basketball thrived, in the win column and at the box office. There's no reason why we can't get back to that again. To suggest that the UND hockey program is in any way a liability to UND athletics is delusional.

I guess we'll find out in Cedar Falls on September 9. That will be a great measuring stick. My opinion, I think you're dead wrong, and UNI will handle the Sioux with relative ease.

Speaking of wishful thinking. UND is going D-I whether you like it or not. Accept it. Gee, I guess everyone will stay put for the next three years, there will be no new conference opportunities opening up. Get real. Congratulations on the upcoming Mid-Con bid, btw.

Well, there goes my afternoon. Great link.

Maybe this guy can give him a few pointers.

I couldn't agree more. Judging from the early chatter in the message boards and the blogosphere, UND has the early P.R. advantage, but there's a very long way to go.

Now the story will ratchet up to a national level, which I think bodes well for UND. We are seeing a story unfold that is on the front lines in the battle against political correctness. As others have stated, it isn't just about keeping the nickname and logo anymore.

Forney and Okposo won't be too shabby, either.

AZSIOUX, Love, love, l-o-v-e the new signature line.

Great post. And the hosting of D-2 post-season events is out the window with the NCAA nickname fight, so there goes what minimal revenue upside that existed. Lacrosse is starting to taking off here in the Twin Cities, so that could be a solid recruiting base that UND would have to themselves. Hangin' with schools like Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Johns Hopkins ain't so bad either. I'm sold on the men's side, the jury is out on women's lacrosse, in my opinion. Agreed. Longer term, add in a small piece of the March Madness TV pie (<$50K is my guess, it isn't huge for the lower-tier DI's). Sandwich a Gopher women's game into a Saturday afternoon during a Sioux-Gopher hockey weekend, that would be good fun. Irrelevant. Sames goes true in D2. We'll continue to get the aspiring doctors, lawyers, etc. It's the battleground programs like business and engineering where I think there is truly future students at stake.

Ditto.

***Biting....tongue.....*** I can't give you a pass on this one. Let's be honest, the national publicity of the Fighting Sioux Frozen Four and championship teams eclipses by tenfold any of NDSU's title teams in football. With that said, I'll be the first to admit that if NDSU, god forbid, were to get into the Big Dance, the attention would blow away anything we've seen on the hockey front. Let's get a grip, here.

Looks like the admin pulled the pin on him.

Know your audience. I highly doubt anyone here will engage you in this discussion. Take this crap to GPL where it belongs.

You're an MBA, right? The value of the future tuition stream of 12 kids sitting in todays kindergarden classes would cover this deficit. That's assuming zero donations post-grad. Enjoy your vacation!

Hockey will be just fine, and we could share in the Frozen Four dough that Minnesota, Wisconsin, Maine, New Hampshire, Denver, (the list goes on and on) are getting. I'm not saying it's big bucks, but it's money we are now leaving on the table.

I agree, DI in Fargo. I applauded Chapman for pulling the trigger. He was right then, and he's still right. (The old threads got zapped, so I can't prove it, but I was on record) A vast majority of university presidents would have gone with 'SU at that point, but Kupchella didn't have the stomach for it for whatever reason. Hell, we should have all gone when Montana and Montana State moved up. I was less vocal about it then....I was only 12 years old, and Gore hadn't invented the internet yet... I've never understood the defeatist attitudes. If they can make this fly in Bozeman and Missoula, we sure as hell can do this in Fargo and GF.

Agreed. Dump baseball and golf too. I'm serious. Edit: If you can avoid the cap-ex by doing it.

Your company spends money on R&D and marketing to generate revenue, right? That's all this is about.

I forgot to thank you for the response. It's very interesting to me as well, perhaps the most interesting time in the history of UND athletics, and the most pivotal time. You're bang-on in terms of the big dance scenario. If that were to happen while UND was wallowing in D-II, it would be a PR disaster, and yes, the alumni would go ballistic, as they should. I won't, and can't, speak for the alumni base, but I'm not looking for instant gratification. I'm looking to preserve UND's position as the flagship institution of the state. There's a lot of talk about deficits and impending disaster. Everyone says that college sports is a business. You know what? Institutions like UND and NDSU are businesses, athletics are only a means to an end. It's a competitive world. Corporations competing for customers, cities competing for corporate headquarters, and yes, universities competing for the best and the brightest young people that they can attract. They become the future donors and benefactors, and the flywheel keeps spinning from there.

Subsidizing athletics for the greater good of the university. It's quite simple. Step into a Cub Foods store, they're probably running a special on Diet Coke. They might even be losing money on it, but it's generating foot traffic. Think of athletics as a loss leader for say, hundreds of schools across the country. No, we are not U of I or U of M. It's a different model.

Do you live in the Twin Cities or in greater Minnesota? If so, I bet you were against the Twins new ballpark, huh. I have a point, I promise. Just wondering. If you'd like to take the discussion to e-mail, that would be fine too.