CMSioux
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I was in the audience for the Spirit Campaign Announcement. The place was packed and it was a great mixture of current students and alumni. Now there was no raise the roof cheer at the end but it was a feel-good event. The UND fire dancer was pretty cool. Tough to compare it to a sporting event where you win it at the buzzer.
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I'd much prefer the message UND sent to its student athletes then the message NDSU sent to their student athletes. Which set of student athletes do you think are more likely to stay out of trouble in the future?
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This does support that UND was held to a different standard and that situations were blown way out of proportion (the sorority party that was continually brought up as an example of ongoing disrespect). One video segment I saw had Lee K throwing a native american headress across the set. Even if the Seminole Tribe approves the use of the name there must be tribes across the country that would take issue with the treatment of sacred items such as headresses and eagle feathers and students showing up in war paint and native american dress. It was easy for the NCAA to pick on a small college in a small state. Big picture is nothing was accomplished by making UND drop its nickname.
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I was in the stands for every one of the games UND beat su in during the last 10 years they played and every year I had to hear the pompus su fans sharing how they were the better team, no on UND's team would see the field if they were at su and guess what when the game was played - not so much.Let them prove it on the field. That's the only score that counts, the one at the end of an actual game. None of the NDSU bluster actually counts. So a UND fan can claim their team would win a game just as much as an NDSU fan. The only way to know for sure which team would win is to have the teams actually play.
UND - owns overall win-loss record
UND - owns win-loss record for the last 10 years the two teams played
UND - won the last game played between the two team for the Nickle Trophy
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What you don't understand is that a message board for a specific team is exactly where you should be making off-base homer statements only su fans feels the need to monitor the site of a different school, which they claim they are no longer interested in, in order to correct every off-base homer statement they perceive is being made.Haha, calm down. People make an off-base homer statement they are going to get called on it.
Seems to be the MO around here lately, make a ridiculous comment, be proven wrong by the facts and then cry about NDSU fans trolling.
Edit: I get a kick out of the get a life comment on an internet message board btw. For every minute I spend here typing, you are spending a minute reading it, so it appears we both need to get a life if that is the case.
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Listening to Minneapolis radio station this past week. Stories about UND are about the school working with NASA, stories about NDSU are about foodtball players de-frauding the goverment.
Gosh I hope they stop mixing the two schools up.
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Uh They were not busted, how difficult would it be for coaches to find out about an all team annual party? They were probably warned about doing it in advance, but college kids being what they are didn't listen and now they are suffering the consequences. Swift and specific. If the police were there, there would be a paper trail - you can't cover that up even if they were trying. They were suspended for the first regular season game that happened after the event came to light. Some bison fans obviously feel like the administration should have picked a specific game so it was against a tougher opponent? Really? Every day the su football team continues to have its reputation dragged through the mud. Now they are trying to focus the blame on the petition gathering companies? Really? They committed fraud. They did it on purpose. They took money for a job they did not do. They signed a legal document saying they did not commit fraud. They are still playing football, they were not suspended. No comparision.The viloations look pretty similar to me between the two schools, unless this is viewed as a hazing event, in which case the UND situation would be a lot more serious, and some of these guys would be sweating their careers. How you can get busted in a sitatuon like this and have zero Minors, zero contributing to Minors, zero arrests or charges filed is a friggin miracle. They either had a guilty conscience the next day and turned themselves in (haha), or this was a neat trick by the GFPD. Is this the new definition of "transparency".
On the NDSU side, we are talking about a large group of people (there is certainly some safety in numbrs in this case), and an agency that is likely very complicit in these charges due to owning the process and training on the procedures. A serious situation, yes, but if you think that these charges won't be plead down below the current level, your an idiot. These players will all likely get 1 game suspensions and some service requirements to appease the sharks, and that's about it. If it would make you happy and shut you up (saving another 60 pages), maybe I'd vote for suspending them right now before any of us even really know anything about how this will play out like happened in the a$$ kissing move for public consumption up north. Can NDSU also pick the worst team on schedule PVA&M for the suspensions?
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My thoughts weren't about students tickets, it's the families that have to work a budget.Football and basketball tickets are free until the student section is filled, it is part of the student fees. I believe that the first 1,900 students get free football tickets. I don't remember how many free seats are available for basketball. Students can ride a bus over to the Alerus Center for free, otherwise they would have to pay $5 to park. That is the only charge for either football or basketball.
Hockey tickets for students are sold, and that cost is a consideration. It doesn't seem to slow demand for student tickets. Students don't have the cost excuse at all for football and basketball so that shouldn't be a consideration.
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The biggest difference between the two venues is that UND has hockey. When a UND fan (non-student) is budgeting their entertainment dollars they have hockey, basketball and football tickets to consider with hockey being the biggest bite out the budget. If you have to choose because of finances football and basketball is going to be the odd ticket out.
When an NDSU fan (non-student) is budgeting their entertainment dollars they only have two choices - football and basketball - niether of which carries the ticket price of hockey (driven by more home games and higher prices).
Of course we are now in a whole new world for football and basketball with bigger named schools and bigger excitment around who is coming to town so I'm hoping my anology proves wrong. If the product is good and it's the place to be in the fall people will find the money. It's only 6 home games.
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Hey guys - he's home!I think that the recent attention at NDSU probably made his decision much easier.
It doesn't belong on AGS unless you put in the 'Other Sports' area.
Hm, I find that odd. For the most part everyone who makes a trip out to Fargo for a game usually has nothing but kind words to say about how they are treated in Fargo, in the tailgating lot, during/after the game. But what do they know I guess. In fact, I believe one Lafayette fan had such a great time and met a lot of people he considers friends in Fargo, that he made the trip down to Frisco.
North Dakota State is far from a disgrace to the best state in the Union. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions though I guess. Though yours is based moreso on dislike of a university's athletic program and a small sample size of fans rather than a bigger picture.
I don't know any Bison fans who get more excited for a UND loss than one of our victories. Many of us are raised with "My favorite team is the Bison, second favorite is whoever UND has this week." And don't pretend when UND does well, it isn't fun to have some (mostly) good-natured ribbing with people.
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Careful - the guy who lives in the Sioux Sports basement is coming home from work soon.
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well of course you have to think this way to continue justify the actions of the AC administration. Bottom line is they did the right thing and held them accountable - and guess what there is no "day in court" and they still did the right thing. SU is the Chris Farley of college sports.OK lets be honest about this as to would they have been suspended if not for the NDSU issue? I doubt they would have been.
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Well at least they weren't out getting petition signatures
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Hey everyone - the strange boy who lives in our basement is home from work.UND isn't relevant enough right now. Gothmog is right. Those stats belong on BSC or UND boards. Not the board that everyone shares.
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It will all work itself out in practice. The better quarterback will get the playing time, the other is the most important player on the sidelines. Isn't it great that we have two quality quarterbacks getting quality educations at UND? Seems like we were facing the same issue last year and it ended with a conference championship lead by the back-up quarterback. Nice to know we have depth in so many positions.
The unanswerable question is where would Joey Bradley have fit into this equation - my opinion is he made the right decision to move on - just didn't do it in as classy a fashion as he could have.
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1. They did knowingly forge signatures on official state documents. They made the decision to open phone books and other sources and copy names, addresses and phone numbers. It was not a mistake. They did it on purpose.
2. They signed an affidavide stating that they gathered signatures from people, witnessed the signing and that the signatures were legitimate. Unless they can't read they signed this statement knowing it was not true.
3. They accepted payment for gathering signatures and when they accepted the money they knew they had not done what they were being paid for.
4. When confronted by goverment officials they refused to sign a follow-up affidavide stating they gathered signatures in a proper manner.
5. They admitted they committed this fraud. One of them admitting that 100% of his actions were fraudulent.
6. As a direct result of their forgery two state-wide measures were unable to meet the crieteria for making the ballot and allowing the citizens of North Dakota to vote on these two issues.
These are not only issues of law, they are issues of integrity and honesty. What of the above can be deemed untrue or dismissable because "they were not properly informed", or "the company was using a payment format that could be deemed unlawfull (still under debate)"? Regardless of these issue they still committed fraud and forgery.
How is this an issue of UND fans being jealous of the NDSU football team?
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Inferiority complex, often used to mean low self-esteem, is a feeling of intense insecurity. An inferiority complex can be seen in negative or "useless" reactions. These reactions only serve to guard one's self-esteem. It is often seen as comparing individuals or groups as one being superior to another, it more closely describes how one deals with a fear of failure.
- team wins national championship, player says "Sioux Suck" at national championship pep rally (ever heard an Alabama player do that?)
- fans cheer "Sioux Suck" at national champions pep rally (See above)
- fans cheer "Sioux Suck" at games not involving UND (never happened at UND)
- fans frequent UND chat rooms and continually try to point out how NDSU is better than UND (yawn...)
- fans frequent other teams chat rooms with intent to put down UND (it ain't just Lakes)
- fans constantly compare their school to UND, looking for any little statistic that will make their school look superior to UND (see annual attendance threads)
- fans can't wait to comment on perceived UND shortfallings (watch thise week and be amazed)
- school has a president that morgages the university's future and its integrity in an effort to build attendance, again because of comparisons to UND (then leaves for Colorado)
- fans feel the need to discount UND's hockey team accomplishments (perpetual)
- fans feel the need to revise history in an attempt to show superiority (It was UND that ended the rivalry, you folllowed us...)
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Well as usual the trolls have turned this into a pissing match. Look what's been keeping the NDSU president busy http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/ndsu-coach-bohl-says-companies-involved-in-fraudulent-petitions-are-targeted/. Isn't it nice that the football team has dropped this turd into his lap so he has to spend his time responding to indignent North Dakota citiziens.
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Back at you with NDSU's perpetual sense of inferiority. As supported by your need and several others to be here. Thanks for coming to a UND Board and sharing your opinions. Must be tough not to have a place of your own to talk about a team you support.I forgot one element. UND's misplaced sense of superiority. That's also a common thread in the relationship.
Thanks for being honest though.
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It's already been stated this thread should be titled: Petition Fraud in ND. But Okay based on your comparison - UND hockey mills out millionaire hockey players that often return for their degrees and fund scholarships for the school, SU football mills out college drop-outs that take $9 an hour jobs defrauding the citizens of North Dakota and bringing humiliation to SU? Guess I'm not seeing where the jealousy would come in?Jealousy and envy are driving this discussion. Without these two key elements, there wouldn't be a thread. UND's discussion of Bison football typically degenerates into making fun of Fargo. It's just like Gopher fans when they lose to NDSU in football. They revert to putting down the state of North Dakota and Fargo. UND fans gladly rip the program that they would trade for in a heartbeat. I love the topic of Dale Lennon, the guy who applied for the NDSU coaching job while he was the head coach at UND.
As a North Dakotan, I'm actually quite proud of UND's hockey dynasty. I have absolutely no envy or jealousy toward it. But I recognize it for what it is. It's an athletic mill, as is Bison football.
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I think we have recruited the talent like they have, we just finished our transition and look at the higher level of talent we are already putting on the field. Bottom line during transition it really doesn't matter what your record is you aren't going anywhere at the end of the season (of course if your ego demands it you can claim a ficticous title and hand out ficticious rings). If we stop allowing others to compare one teams transition to anothers we had a very good transition record. Every day it becomes more apparant we don't want to be compared to "that" team for many reasons.Which brings up the question - why haven't we recruited talent like they have - I know we have some QB talent now, but this is the longest QB dry spell I can ever remember. We have some work to do, both on the field and getting people in the stands. This is a pivotal year. Hope we can come through.
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UND Hockey develops players for the NHL and other professional hockey leagues, What league does su football develop players for? Oh I know the penal league (pun intended)My impression is that whining about Bison football is common coming from a UND fan.
UND hockey is a great program. But be real, it's an athletic mill. Bison football is a bigger mill by shear numbers.
They are the respective flagship programs of the two universities. Both programs recruit questionable students. Get real.
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I apologize, it's tough to know the "tone" of a text post. Many of us are just tired of having to deal with trolls that come here and ruin discussions with pompous comments and constant smack. Not saying yours was in that category. If we were face to face at a tailgate with a beer it would be more enjoyable to give each other some guff about our teams.Sometime the first victim of rabid fanhood is a loss of humor. I appreciate you getting that I got it. Go Aztecs. I hope every kid comes out of this healthy and both teams do well in their conference play.
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Oh at that rate they probably DID have their degrees.Oh come on, enough of these lies trashing the bisons....... it was 3 former su football players at $9 per hour
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Meanwhile students at Flordia State are dressing up as native americans with war paint on their faces.