Gothmog

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I don't disagree with that. IMO, all the Dakota FCS schools should be FBS, and, at least some of them, eventually will be. But that has not been the point of this whole discussion. I see SV as a run-of-the-mill conspiracy theorist. You know you have a conspiracy theory, not a genuine conspiracy when the story changes to include facts that actually disprove the original premise. So, for instance, when the Idaho study disproved SV's idea of a NCAA rule change, SV simply incorporated that into his conspiracy as a PR ruse by the President of the university. Pretty standard stuff.You can never prove a good conspiracy theory wrong, anything that contradicts the original story is dismissed as part of the conspiracy.

No, there is no evidence that any of the schools in the Big Sky, including UND, actually want to become FBS, or that six, or more, of them are actively working on moving the Big Sky to FBS. That's always been the point. Could this happen? Of course, but then lots of crazy stuff could happen. Will it happen? No, probably not

Context! Important to the meaning of the thread, not important in a larger context.

If you include a rule change as a possibility literally any FCS conference "could" go FBS. SV's statements in the thread are far more important than the title of the thread.

And yet he calls Bison fans on this site "obsessive." OK.

How is that you know so much about what goes on at Bisonville?

Interesting how SV now touts the WAC's FBS status as proof that he was correct all along, yet he didn't even know about it until he read the Idaho consultant's study just a few weeks ago.

Although SV's story changes often enough that it's hard to keep track of the flavor of the day, his predictions usually involve NDSU and SDSU moving up with UND. If that's the case why would NDSU fans be concerned about following UND? I'd say that this whole thread is nothing more than a transparent rationalization of UND fan's angst about NDSU's football success since the DI move. SV himself made that obvious, if it wasn't already, with his comment about an FBS move taking away the "sting" of NDSU's 5 FCS championships.

No, what I did was correct your obvious misunderstanding of the OP. Your response either betrayed a misunderstanding of the original post, or it was just a non-sequitur. You choose.

I don't see that he said beating FBS teams is necessarily a big deal anywhere in nd1sufan's post. What he did he said was that NDSU expects to win those games.

I'm not.

So, now the story is that a ruse is being orchestrated by Idaho's President in order to extract more contributions from the school's alumni. Wasn't the story that the NCAA was behind the whole thing so that it would look good in rescuing Idaho from FCS?

That popped out at me too. Not sure what they're basing that on. Attendance is poor now, it might actually increase if they stated winning some game in FCS. Also, it's interesting to note that they're budgeting a $2M decrease in "money games." Add a extra home game or two, and ticket sales $ should go up commensurately.

Look back at the first post in the thread. At that point, it was the SunBelt that would grant Big Sky Schools FBS status.

You're spending way too much time convincing people that I'm spending too much time convincing people that he has no evidence.

No, I'm not trying to convince anyone that he's wrong, only that he has no evidence.

The theories don't bother me at all. I'd actually welcome some of the changes he's suggesting. The problem is SV is selling snake oil and acting superior about it.

No, I'm suggesting that you have absolutely zero real evidence to back up any of your "theories." You spend way too much time trying to convince people. If you're right they'll know soon enough. If you're wrong you'll look pretty damn foolish.

So, are you suggesting that UND, or any other Big Sky School, can move up anytime it wants without any public discussion?

The point's been made over and over again. The WAC can't "declare" any school an FBS transitioning school without the approval of that school. That approval would require a certain standard of care by that schools, which would certainly require a good deal of official public discussion. I see no evidence that any official discussion has occurred. Please provide evidence that it has.

No, Idaho's butt was already in a sling, so this really wouldn't have been much of a risk to Idaho. I'm just offering the quote as support for the idea that existence of a deal to combine the conferences and then move to FBS would not guarantee the success of that deal. The commissioners would still need at least eight schools to approve the deal, and that wouldn't be easy.

That's always been the fly in the ointment with SV's theories. Even if Hurd and Fullerton had concocted a deal to move the Big Sky, that deal wouldn't be worth a pitcher of warm spit until enough member schools did their due diligence and agreed to actually move up. Again, Idaho study makes reference to this: Threats  Outside of NMSU, not getting six additional schools that want to play football in the WAC

I disagree, this involves at least eight major state-level public institutions. There's no way this can happen without due diligence on the part of those institutions. That would require public discussion. EDIT - to clarify, I'm referring to the Big Sky/WAC to FBS, not the possible desire of the P5 to create more G5 teams and conferences.

True, you'll know when NCAA, conference, and school officials begin to discuss and weigh the alternatives publicly. Until then, nothing can happen, and this is no more than a pipe dream.