82SiouxGuy
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Two things about your post. First, if a law is unconstitutional it shouldn't be a law. That goes for laws that are made by the legislature and laws that are made by referendum or inititiative (by the people). The Constitution is the framework of the government and the basis for the rest of the laws. If a law doesn't fit within that framework, if it goes against what is in the Constitution, then it should not be a law. That is the basis for the case going to the Supreme Court and why they are asking to prevent the vote in June. The will of the people does not overrule the Constitution unless it is to add an amendment to the Constitution.This is soooooo political! The new way to get things done in this society "scare them into doing what we want them to do"!
When I heard the womens hockey team may get home ice for playoffs and it would have to be on another site because of the name stuff, (which makes no sense, the mens team play home playoffs here?) I thought maybe it is time to move on without the name and let the tribes try and repair this for another later date.
Than they will be off the "hostile and abusive list" which will let them play these schools that now can't play them and the teams when the WCHA break apart to play them also, IT IS NOT BECAUSE THEY ARE CALLED THE FIGHTING SIOUX!! Its because of the list!!
But when they want to shut down a state wide vote, as to stop the voting process from doing what the voters want, and make it so the other people get what they want! (Like what already happened to the tribes)! I say no way! This is what caused all this to begin with, not letting the tribes vote! No way! Not me!
Also all this talk of recruiting being down because of the name is BS, IMO! Has there ever been a student/athlete that has said "I want to attend UND but with them being called the Fighting Sioux, I think I will pass"? Doubt it!
Also happon is spelled happen, just saying........
I doubt that there are very many people that have refused an athletic scholarship to UND because they don't like the nickname Fighting Sioux. But I have no doubts that there are people that have gone to other schools instead of UND because of the sanctions that UND is under while they use the nickname and logo. That problem is just going to get bigger and bigger the longer the nickname is kept. If you had a choice of a full scholarship between 2 schools, and one of them is under NCAA sanctions, why would you decide to go to the school with the sanctions?
You are right, the issues with the Big Sky and with other schools are because of the sanctions and not because of the nickname. But the sanctions are in place because of the nickname. And the sanctions aren't going away until the name goes away. Why is that so hard for people to understand? None of these efforts to force UND to keep the name are going to make the NCAA change their mind about the nickname and sanctions.
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You seem to have no understanding of the process. First, the NCAA sanctions would be in place in Division I, Division 2 or Division 3. Second, NDSU and SDSU moved to Division I several years before UND. That changed any rivalries. And now that USD has joined NDSU and SDSU in their conference, that rivalry is at least on pause. Minnesota is leaving the WCHA. They have a policy that will not let them play a team called the Fighting Sioux if they are not in the same conference, so if UND keeps the name that will eliminate any chance of keeping that rival. And Minnesota has refused to schedule UND in football or basketball in part because of that reason.There has been alot of talk about rival games disapearing. My question is were are they now? We have Basketball starting up; however, the sioux are not playing minn in the near future south dakota is swiching to a totally different confrence and NDSU/UND football is no where in site. I say Play rival games as the sioux and start back the transition. Any more bumps will only make it harder.Do not say Montana can be our new rival befcause it will not happon. It will take years to get it to the same level as UND/ NDSU, UND/ MINN., AND UND/SOUTH DAKOTA.
Think of all the tradition and fun we had in division two as the Sioux. I can not speak for everyone, but I can say that many of us would rather play division three teams then see the Sioux die. At least make law We are North Dakota with no future mascot. Not in a 4 years and not in 100.
Life changes. It will never go back to what it was before. The other Dakota schools are not going back to D2 or D3. UND would suffer even if it did go back down. That is why more and more people, including coaches and past letter winners, are now coming out to say that the nickname needs to be changed. And in a few years a new name will be chosen.
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The reason to play is that it would be great publicity and a great marketing opportunity for both schools. More people in the entire region would pay attention to that game than just about any game either school could play. If they really do play each other in the playoffs on a regular basis that would be one thing. But there is no guarantee that it would happen. For instance, how often have Montana and Montana State played in the playoffs? (I really have no idea and don't have time to look it up right now.)at an extra $20 a game, that would be $300,000, roughly the cost of a forgone game. NDSU might break even monetarily. On the other hand, every other year UND quadruples it's revenue from a game. Why would they agree to this give up a homegame ever other year for a wash financially that helps out a rival recruiting program?
I would rather see both teams arrange home-homes with more national programs than each other, especially since starting in two years, or maybe even next year, they will be meeting in the playoffs most years anyway?
The other problem is that both schools have already had trouble getting other schools to come to North Dakota for games. Teams east of North Dakota have a lot of options without traveling so far, and most of the FCS teams west of North Dakota are in the Big Sky. Teams don't want to go to Fargo to play a very good team, and hopefully, soon teams will have similar respect for UND. Both schools will have to overpay to try and attract schools to make the trip.
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UND gets $20 extra per ticket for hockey games against Minnesota and $10-15 against Wisconsin and Denver. I think that you can get more than $5 for a game between UND and NDSU. And you are forgetting that NDSU probably has to pay their opponent if they are playing someone other than UND for that game. The average D I school is going to want somewhere around $100,000 for a game. That comes off that $400,000 (plus other game day expenses like renting the dome and paying employees). Over a 2 year period it will come out pretty close to a wash economically, and it's possible that NDSU could come out ahead because there is a better chance of selling all of those tickets playing UND than playing someone like Drake or Wagner.I think dome tickets go for around $20. bump it up to 25 for UND, and you make an extra 100,000. Then the next year you give up 400,000 in ticket sales to go to grand forks. Plus UND would't even be the biggest game of the year, that would normally be UNI or SDSU. should those games be premium as well?
Any home-home situation is basically a six figure handout from NDSU football to UND football. It's pretty clear why they aren't in favor of it. Both teams would probably make more money if NDSU just paid UND 250k to come to the fargodome every year.
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It's business. Supply and demand. If there is a good chance to make some extra money you should at least consider it. But in most cases you will probably have a couple of games per year that would logically fit.Love how you added the last part just to be an a-hole.
There is nothing confusing about it, I only asked where does the "premium" tag begin and end? Put the premium price on the UND game and now UND, SDSU, UNI, USD, SIU and homecoming all have the possibility of being "premium" games. No need to price gouge just to get an extra buck.
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Did you have to go there?Better than "The Macarena" ...
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There are worse things to have running through your head." ... playing Russian roulette, but she loads all six ..." -- Billy Gibbons, Dusty Hill, and Frank Beard
Now I'll have ZZ Top tunes running through my head the rest of the day.
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You can't use the name as you pick and choose. If you use the name at all you remain under NCAA sanctions. Ask Dale Lennon about the NCAA sanctions and how much they will hurt UND, have already started hurting UND. He has a letter that will be in the Grand Forks Herald and a story for the paper along with it. Both are already up on grandforksherald.com. He says it is time to drop the nickname and logo.
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You would think that he would be near the top of the list. But he hasn't gotten a job yet. Sometimes people get stuck in that assistant spot and never get out. And sometimes they just don't make the right impression when they are going for the interview. I don't make those decisions so I'm not sure why Guentzel hasn't gotten a chance yet.Would you agree though that if anyone deserves a shot at a head coaching job it would be Guentzel?
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Yes, I believe that some people were. I was in high school at the time so I didn't follow it as closely as some. But I remember the discussion and thought that either Harkness or Gino were probably good choices. I started at UND the next fall and got to experience a great period on UND hockey, watching the team make it to the championship game 3 out of the next 4 years and winning 2 with Gino as the coach. The people that supported Harkness seemed to go away during that period.Help me with my memory but were not people mad that Ned Harkness was not hired instead of Gino?
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Most of the big games would be scheduled well in advance, probably years. For instance, you already know in advance when you are playing Montana and when you play UNI at home. If both UND and NDSU could change things around to play in 2012 it would be a special circumstance, but it would be tough to go to season ticket holders that had already played.We pay for our season tickets well in advance of the season--they are due in February. I just paid mine. Consequently, it would be pretty difficult to jack up the price for a certain game, and non-season ticket purchasers would be PO'd if they paid more the season ticket holders one would think.
And don't non-season ticket holders already pay extra for single games? They do in most places. That is one of the percs for buying season tickets, getting a better price per game for buying the entire season in advance.
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I was told by one of our Bison friends that their season ticket holders wouldn't stand for that, and it was too confusing.UND's ticket prices for 2012 is:
$10-$20 but its $15-$25 for Montana and homecoming (Northern Arizona)
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He made a pretty public appearance at UND a couple of years ago, so he knows the way.He admitted the name should go years and years ago, maybe after being away from coaching he will show up in ND. If he can find his way up here.
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Or if they are playing a completely different game.it's easy to "gamble" on this issue when they (Carlson, Soderstrom, Hennen, Port, et al.) have no skin in the game.
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Assistant coaches are hired as head coaches every year. And every school will have different priorities when hiring a coach. But most schools would hire someone that has proven success as a head coach on that level as their first choice. Proven assistants with experience at that school would also be highly prized, especially at schools that like to promote from within and at a lot of successful programs. The next level of choice would be proven assistants at succesful programs. And successful head coaches at a lower level would get some consideration.And what schools would this be? Sandelin was hired with no college head coaching experiance.
UND has proven that they like to hire from within. Gino was not the first choice for that position, but he ended up getting it doing well. Blais was well thought of when he was at UND originally, but he went to the high school level so that he could get head coaching experience. That and his relationships at UND helped him get the job. And Hak was part of the program for a long time, that definitely helped him get the job. Sandelin was part of a successful program at UND. That definitely helped him when he was being interviewed for the Duluth position.
Obviously you don't like Hakstol. In this discussion, Hak has had a successful run as a head coach at the collegiate level. He has done everything but win a national championship, and has regularly had his teams in the tournament. Most schools with head coach openings would be interested in talking to him about their job. Some NHL teams might consider talking to him about a head coaching job, and many would probably be interested in talking to him about an assistant job if he was interested in that. Guentzel has had a good run as an assistant, but not as a head coach at the collegiate level. He has had experience as a head coach at the USHL level, but hasn't been able to get hired at the college level. He could get a shot at a head coaching job, and very well might at UNO when Blais leaves, but most schools would probably rank Hakstol higher before talking to them. Interviews may change that based on how the personalities and goals fit.
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It would probably depend on a lot of other factors. What other jobs are open, or will open. Who has talked them. Their personal financial situation. How strongly they felt about the situation. People have walked away from a lot more.
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His point is that most schools would rather hire a coach with a proven record of success as a head coach than hire a good assistant coach for his first time as a head coach. Hak, Blais and Gino were all hired as a head coach in the same place where they had worked as an assistant coach. Other schools may have been more hesitant to hire them for their first time as a head coach.So what? Look at what he has done with the Gophers this year and in the past. What does the fact that he has not been unemployed since 1994 have to do with anything? Hak had how much D1 head coaching experiance when he was hired? That would be what? None? Blais had how much? None? Gino had how much? None? Your point is?
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You must have had too many jello shots. Your reading comprehension isn't very good.Must have had too many jello shots if you want to Minneapolis through Bemidji... I know a quicker way
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Standing Rock doesn't have a provision for a referendum vote in their constitution. They would have to change the constitution to do it. Plus the leadership at Standing Rock doesn't want it and has said so for about 20 years. Plus, if I remember right, the 2 tribes have never been very close. Spirit Lake probably isn't going to talk Standing Rock into much of anything.But not once has the the tribal leader of Spirit Lake meet with the tribal leader of Standing Rock. Why couldn't SL talk SR into a tribe wide vote? If this name means so much to Spirit Lake like Chaske says then why no communication between the two tribes since 2005?
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Contracts can be amended or changed if both sides are agreeable. As has been repeated many times, the NCAA isn't going to agree to changing the settlement to allow use of Native American names or imagery. Breaking contracts often results in lawsuits, and the party that breaks the contract is normally the loser of the lawsuit. In this case the NCAA is getting exactly what they want out of the settlement, why would they agree to a change?Contracts are broken or amended all the time why is this one any different
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Part of your argument will depend on what the NCAA accepts as a new or "new" logo and nickname. UND can use the interlocking ND logo and the name "UND or North Dakota" according to the 3 year moratorium because they were implemented and used before that moratorium was put in place. If the NCAA accepts them as new because they are different from the Fighting Sioux name and Brien logo, then that fulfills the settlement agreement. Both sides could be satisfied and the problem solved. Again, the aim of the settlement and the reason for the NCAA policy are to eliminate the use of Native American nicknames and imagery. The NCAA is happy when that is accomplished.I'll definitely take your word for it regarding President Kelly, the interlocking ND, etc., but it's a fact that this breaks the repeal law, which prohibits the adoption and use of any nickname for three years. The settlement agreement specifically requires UND to adopt a new nickname. UND can't comply with both at the same time. Either they break the law and adopt a new nickname or follow the law and breach the settlement.
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They have said that they would not back off the use of Native American nicknames. Remember, the NCAA also said that they might be willing to review the removal of logos from Ralph Engelstad Arena and might be willing to change the timeline outlined in the agreement. They say they are trying to encourage schools to follow the policy, not damage the schools that are making an effort.Good to know. Makes sense. But I just didn't think it was possible after so many people have said that the NCAA has taken a hard stance and won't back off the settlement agreement and sanctions under any circumstances. But I guess it is true that the NCAA is not 100% committed to enforcing the terms of the settlement agreement, either.
But I believe that the interlocking ND logo may still work for the NCAA, while not breaking the 3 year moratorium on adopting and implementing a logo that was put into the repeal law. The interlocking ND has been used for years, and was modified a couple of years ago. It has nothing to do with Native American culture in any way. It was not part of the settlement agreement. UND using that logo exclusively, and not using the Brien logo would live up to the the NCAA policy and the spirit of the settlement agreement even if it didn't live up to the letter of the agreement. And it wouldn't break the law on adopting and implementing a logo, because it would just be using something that was in place well before the law was enacted. It has been the secondary logo of the Athletic Department, and has been the primary logo for some of the sports. UND still wouldn't have a nickname as required by the settlement agreement, but as I said, the NCAA may give them some leeway in that process.
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The NCAA has also said that they would work with UND if they were making a good faith effort to live up to the settlement agreement and eliminating the Native American nickname and logo. There has been no official statement, but perhaps they have indicated that they would be OK with delaying the adoption of a new nickname and logo. As someone else said, all indications were that UND had been removed from the sanctions list after the law was repealed in November. Therefore there could have been some kind of understanding with the NCAA.Funny how that works. SBHE will use tax power money to righteously enforce the very same settlement agreement that they have no intention of following.
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There is absolutely no way that he is going to be re-elected. He's running for a different office.That's not even close to being true.
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You are wrong if you really believe that alums don't stick around. Thousands of people in the Grand Forks area are UND alums. A lot do leave. A lot stay. And some that leave, come back. Even the ones that leave will come back for events at the school. You may be surprised by the number of people with seasn tickets to UND hockey that are alumni but live in other parts of North Dakota and Minnesota. So it isn't just non-alums buying tickets for events.
You probably haven't been paying attention, but very few buildings on campus are built with tax money. The Ralph was built by an alum. Almost every building on campus was built with donations. They are maintained, in part, by tax money. That is the cost of doing business. (Don't forget that without the other buildings and the school itself you wouldn't have those teams to like.) You might be talking about the Alerus Center. It was built with tax money and is owned by the city of Grand Forks. It is also used for a lot more than UND events.
If you can't figure out why alums are more connected to UND than people that just watch sporting events, you are really out of touch. And since you obviously can't see how the sanctions are going to hurt the athletic department, the teams (that you say you like) and the school itself, than you may be behind help.