82SiouxGuy
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Now you think you're a lawyer? The settlement with UND is legal. It was even completed in a court of law. And the chances of Spirit Lake winning are slim. The only chance is to prove anti-trust, and the NCAA is very good at winning anti-trust cases. Plus, the court case with Spirit Lake is going to take years, the whole time UND will be under sanctions and will be suffering damage. Of course, you don't care about UND being damaged since you don't care about UND. You only care about keeping the name.It's not that anybody thinks the NCAA will reconsider, it's that we think there will come a time when they will have no other choice but to back off. What they're doing is illegal, and will be proven so in a court of law. Spirit Lake is going to do to the NCAA what Georgia Tech did to Cumberland. Wait and see, and when the time comes get in line to hear me say "I TOLD YOU SO!!!"
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To anyone that actually cares about the student-athletes and the Athletic Department, YES!!!
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Woman's hockey isn't on neutral ice for the first round. It is held at the homes of the top 4 seeds. Unless one of them is UND, then it will be held at the homes of the other 3 of the top 4 seeds and the home of the UND opponent. Doesn't that sound fair after all of their hard work?They don't have the hostile name on their jerseys and regionals have to have neutral ice so the sioux head is gone on the ice anyways....
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They don't care what's going on in North Dakota. And they don't have to. They will deal with the lawsuit when and if they have to; unless their motion to dismiss is successful, in which case it would go away soon. But the whole thing about putting the nickname into North Dakota law, or putting it into the North Dakota Constitution, is meaningless to them. What is so hard to understand? UND and the NCAA have a legal settlement. The NCAA is following that settlement. Changing North Dakota law doesn't affect that settlement.do they even have a clue what is going on in north dakota? I feel like they think we are simply ignoring them and continuing on with life while they are missing everything in the middle. Not that this is their duty but it is a little bigger than it seems on how they handle things. Ncaa for president. I'm writing them on the ballot without a doubt as they can do anything.
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The battle between UND and the NCAA is done. They signed a settlement agreement in 2007. The UND side includes the State Board of Higher Education and the state of North Dakota. There isn't any more battle between North Dakota and the NCAA.Hence the smiley face at the end of my post. As everyone else here I state an opinion and right now, I don't see anything changing in regards to the nickname and I SIMPLY am following and am supportive of the sioux tribe that is trying to keep their name, something their ancestors told the university to do. whatever happens happens, but I plan on staying on the good side, and winning this battle.
Spirit Lake is trying to get a battle with the NCAA. There may or may not be a battle that actually happens. And if it happens it will probably take several years at a minimum. You can be supportive of the Spirit Lake efforts, but forcing UND to use the nickname during the process DOES NOT help Spirit Lake, while it WILL hurt UND. The first signs have already been seen.
And the NCAA is closer to autocrat than democrat or republican.
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There was a committee working on retiring the nickname, but I don't believe that they were looking at standards for a new nickname yet. There was supposed to be a separate committee formed when it was time to look at new nicknames. I also believe that there was a 3rd committee, but I don't remember what their role was. Possibly 1 committee to retire the name, 1 to work on maintaining the history of the name, and then a future committee to find a new name.I think Roughriders or some derivative of Norsemen would be highly appropriate. It won't happen though. The standards that the nickname transition committee were following, I believe, stated that UND could not adopt a new personified nickname or logo. No Fighting Sioux. . . no people . . . so no Roughriders or Norsemen.
It'll be something real original like the Bobcats or Tigers!
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Since there isn't a potential opponent for a bowl game that uses a nickname on the sanctions list I don't see that as a big deal.How convenient of them not to allow potential Bowl games to get in the way of their nickname policy. Good for them.
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The settlement agreement named Spirit Lake and Standing Rock. It does not say the 2 closest tribes.if this part of your statement is correct, dagies, then we have been barking up the wrong tree. Standing Rock is not the second closest tribe: Sisseton-Wahpeton is 135 miles away from Grand Forks, Standing Rock is well over 200, even on a direct course. Why isn't the save the nickname movement working with the Sisseton tribe since Standing Rock's Tribal Council refuses to help?
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It's called a contract. You negotiate terms and put them on paper. You can't change the terms of a contract just because you decide you don't like them. If you could, the contract would be worthless and no one would even bother writing them.If that is true then our Legal System is even more Pathetic than I thought it was
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That was exactly what I was thinking.It's like negotiating with a terrorist, isn't it?
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It's not my problem if you can't comprehend the complexity of the situation. And it's impossible to debate with someone willing to burn down the house.When losing a debate always resort to personal attacks. Stay classy, 82SiouxGuy.
PS - You may want to consider changing your user name, being that you're not a nickname supporter.
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Do I have to go back to the end of the line again?Well, just remember.
Everyone against the use of the Sioux name now is of like mind and all have the exact same reasons. We are lock-step! Get in line, mister!
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He doesn't care about the University or the athletic department. He only cares about the nickname.The world isn't quite that black-and-white. It's very possible to love the name but also love the university. Just because somebody wants the name to go doesn't mean they don't wish it could stay. It just means they'd rather not have the school and athletic department crippled by it.
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It's only that simple if you have a simple mind.Jesse thinks the name should go, and so do you. Either you're for the name or you're against it. It's that simple.
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I must have missed that one. As a matter of fact, I haven't gotten any of the club memos for a while.No, you're wrong.
Why I saw Jesse Taken Alive wearing a Sioux jersey and speaking very reasonably about how the name has to be retired to protect the University of North Dakota's athletic department.
That's why we are all the same. Didn't you get the memo?
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Not unless he's Norwegian and Irish. And he feels that the NCAA has a very flawed policy, but that they are holding all of the cards so it is best for the University of North Dakota to move on. You really have no concept that there is a huge difference between Jesse Taken Alive and his group who think the name is racist, and the rest of us that don't want to harm the University and the Athletic Department just to keep the name.No, but I think he's right. You aren't related to Jesse Taken Alive, are you? That would explain a lot.
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You aren't related to Carlson are you? That would explain a lot. And you both live in Fargo.You're entitled to your opinion. You're so far off the mark it isn't even funny, but whatever. Quite frankly I really don't care how many people don't get it, I refuse to change who I am and what I believe in. I know the difference between right and wrong, and I will never stop fighting for what is right.
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If it is the Spirit Lake lawsuit they may be referring to the 2000 tribal council approval (if I remember right it was more like we aren't opposed than we are in favor). If that's it, the NCAA wanted a letter after their policy was passed to make sure the tribal council hadn't changed their mind. That 2000 approval might have been noted in the UND lawsuit also.I will have to look for the information... I believe it is noted in the UND lawsuit against the NCAA or in the SL lawsuit against the NCAA. I will take a look and give you a link when I find it.
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People in about a dozen countries know about the World Jr. tournament. I doubt that very many people in Asia, Africa or Australia know about it. Or South America. Or probably very many people south of the Mason-Dixon line in this country unless they are among the few NHL fans in the south.People all over the WORLD are aware of the World Jr. hockey tournament, while few people outside of North Dakota would be aware of a Sioux/Bison football game.
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You are quickly reaching Lakes status with your opinions.I call them corrupt because what they're doing is corrupt. It's as simple as that. Sorry you can't (or don't want to) understand.-
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What good would it have done to win the lawsuit and go on sanctions within weeks? The NCAA fixed their mistake during the trial. UND would have been on sanctions in early 2008 with no chance to use the nickname beyond that. Unless you're saying that we could have avoided this entire mess of the past several years by getting put on sanctions back in 2008.Then at that point they should have just went ahead and won the lawsuit rather than settle.
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Dave, you disrespect everyone that has an opinion different from your own. I would bet that you have never met any of the people at the NCAA, the SBoHE or the UND administration. You don't know what has actually happened with any of them. Yet you call them corrupt. And you are willing to destroy decades of UND athletic tradition just to keep a nickname and logo.How about taking a stance against the corrput NCAA, the corrupt SBoHE, and the corrupt people who are currently in power at UND? Those three groups are currently using the UND athletic dept. as a pawn in their PC crusade against the Sioux nickname, disguising it as trying to protect Native Americans when in fact what they are actually doing is disrespecting Native Americans. It is so far beyond sickening and disguting. I'm so angry about this issue I can't even find words strong enough to describe my feelings.
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I have never heard of any approval letters from Spirit Lake, at least from anyone with any authority, until after the 2009 election. Even at that point the Tribal Council hesitated to send a letter. I vaguely remember some comments from someone that said, "We've said all we're going to say on the matter" or something like that. But it wasn't from anyone authorized to sign for the tribe and it wasn't in writing. If you have some evidence of a prior approval letter it would be good to see.Hey thanks for the Aug 5th date, I took my date from the news article discussing the policy. I understand your comment about not being directly against, but the NCAA has been very strict with UND on getting approval - I believe they rejected approval letters from SL. Another aspect of the Oklahoma tribes backing off "could" be related to record revenue at the Florida casinos - $2 billion and growing.
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