82SiouxGuy

Destroying the Athletic Department may be an option for you and a few others. It isn't for the other 95% of us.

He has also said that questioning the constitutionality of a law is wrong if it is the will of the people, and by that he meant that 16,000+ people had signed a petition.

It turns out the Supreme Court has decided to give the nickname supporters an extra 3 days to file their briefs. The earlier report was wrong.

I'm shocked, shocked I say, that Al was able to get his way. How many billable hours do you think Durick has already put in working on the issue for Al?

How do you propose to make them change their rules? And, again, leaving the NCAA would mean destroying the Athletic Department and that isn't an option. Since you don't like associating with the NCAA you should just stop watching all college sports other than the NAIA. Otherwise you are just a hypocrite.

The other message is that we're not going to waste any time. Everyone should have known this is coming so let's get it done.

I've been told that I can be rather verbose at times. And that was by my mother.

Don't lump all of us together. I fought the law during the session last year, including sending emails to legislators before they voted and talking to local legislators on a 1 to 1 basis while they were back for a couple of forums. And several others on this forum also were against the law from the beginning.

No. We are able to see that Al Carlson and several others are using the controversy over changing the UND nickname to accomplish a totally different agenda. And they are willing to allow damage to be done to UND in order to accomplish that agenda. We have made a significant investment of time and/or money in the University, and have a deep attachment to the University. Therefore we want to limit the damage as much as possible, and we want to allow the University to move forward as quickly as possible. You and several others seem to have based your whole being on a sports team nickname and logo. Not even on the success or failure of the team, just on the nickname and logo.

Let's see. Most FCS teams want to play 5 road games (either 1 FBS and 4 FCS or 5 FCS) and 6 home games (usually all FCS). I can't imagine why that would be a problem.

My guess, and again it is only a guess, is that none of the Chippewa tribes had made any noise about being opposed. Or maybe they already had been involved in the discussion at some point and had stated they were not opposed. Going back and reading the stories about the Oklahoma Seminole situation leads me to this supposition. The NCAA spent several years studying the situation and discussing it with different tribes. They felt there was enough opposition to the use of Native American nicknames to go ahead with the ban. They were depending on the opposition by the Oklahoma Seminoles to give them ammunition to fight the approval of the Florida Seminole Nation because they knew Florida State was going to be a problem. When they discovered that the Oklahoma tribes were not opposed, they moved quickly to find a fallback position. The approval of a namesake tribe was that position. It gave the NCAA an out that had some basis in logic, saying that it would be acceptable if a tribe actually gave approval. Several schools took advantage of the option including Central Michigan. UND has had a vocal opposition for many years. It has probably been more vocal than most other schools using Native American nicknames. In spite of this, UND had the opportunity to take advantage of the single namesake tribe approval option. Lake Traverse might have been acceptable as an option, but I believe that they have been opposed to the nickname also. Reports have said that all Sioux tribes other than Spirit Lake have some kind of statement against UND's use of the nickname. Lake Traverse is also a member of the Great Plains Tribal Chairmen's Association, and that group has been vocally opposed to UND using the name. The last vote was 11-0 against with 5 tribes missing. A previous vote was 15-0 with only Spirit Lake not voting. I have always thought that the NCAA picked Spirit Lake and Standing Rock for the settlement because Spirit Lake is the closest tribe and because they knew Standing Rock was very vocally opposed, so the NCAA figured it would be very hard for UND to get approval from both.

Parker said it was for multiple things, but it sounded like mainly an underage drinking incident and then not reporting for his discipline. His brother Victor was also kicked off and another player suspended. Vinny is playing for Northeastern this year.

I'm pretty sure the policy came out on Aug 5, 2005. Using Native American names and imagery in college sports had been a topic of conversation for a while. I found this article on the issue from the Florida State perspective in the Jacksonville newspaper, http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/081205/col_19484407.shtml, from Aug 12, 2005 that says: That isn't exactly direct approval, but they weren't against. From a St. Petersburg paper that same day, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1461861/posts: Sounds like a relative of Ron His Horse is Thunder.

Good point.

Maybe the rest of the group can reign him in.

Will the winner of the conference get an automatic bid to the Cherry Berry FroYo Bowl?

I don't know, I've never gone. I think they have egg rolling contests. Maybe it's egg picking rather than egg finding?

Home and Garden show fills the arena and they use some of the meeting rooms for classes. Easter egg hunt is in the arena the morning before Easter, takes most of the morning at least. And they sometimes have private events that aren't on the schedule. So my guess is that there aren't very many openings in that period.

You know the old saying, "Pride goeth before the fall", which is a shortened version of "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall". You can believe anything you want about the nickname, and you can refuse to be a fan if the nickname is changed. But you have absolutely no right to try to force the destruction of the Athletic Department to win your war, especially since you have absolutely no connection to the University other than being a fan of the nickname.

You would think so, but the circumstances changed during the time of the lawsuit. I will try to give a Readers Digest version by memory. Someone can correct any mistakes I may have, and remember that I am not an attorney. The UND lawsuit had several points. But the main point was that the NCAA did not follow their own policies and procedures or their bylaws in the way the Native American mascot policy was approved. The policy was put in place by an Executive Committee. The NCAA policy in place at that time said that issues such as this had to go to a vote of the general membership. One theory at the time was that the policy would not have been approved by the general membership so they tried to shortcircuit the process. I also believe that there was an anti-trust element to the lawsuit. However, the judge himself stated that it was a very weak argument. He basically let it go to discovery only because the other point or points were relevant. But he said they would need to find a lot more before he would let them take the anti-trust portion to trial. During the discovery process the NCAA corrected their problem. They sent a new policy to a vote of the general membership that would allow the Executive Committee to pass this type of policy. Everyone knew that this was happening because of the lawsuit and the NA policy. The new policy passed by a large margin, which really showed that the general membership would probably also support the NA mascot policy. Then, the Executive Committee passed the same NA mascot policy a second time. I believe that it passed the January after the settlement (that would be January 2008), but it may have been before. They had already processed all of the school appeals, so they could easily have stated they wouldn't take any more appeals and that sanctions would immediately be in effect for any school that wasn't in compliance. This is why UND could have won the lawsuit on their main point and still been on sanctions within days or months at the latest. UND could have been on sanctions some time in 2008 with no hope of getting tribal approval of any kind since Spirit Lake didn't give approval until 2009 (I believe that the trial was scheduled to start right around Christmas 2007). The settlement gave UND 3 years to get approvals and guaranteed almost 4 more years using the nickname with at least a little hope of keeping it long term.

I agree completely. But the cancelled games and the information provided by Lennon is obvious to everyone, so even the naysayers should have to acknowledge that there might be some truth to those things.

I don't think the schedule online is complete. The marketing person from the Alerus Center was on the radio this morning talking about the Class B basketball tournament and said that the arena was booked every weekend except 2 until June. She might have meant the building, but did say the arena. The building itself hosts well over 300 events per year and has something in at least 1 room just about every day.

And he doesn't recognize that UND has already been damaged. They have lost scheduled sporting events and there is strong evidence that they have lost the opportunity to recruit talented athletes. He is very naive if he believes that these things won't continue to happen and probably will escalate.

He has been asked about it, and he has answered the question. PCM is pretty much spot on. And Wayne has said that the one thing that the NCAA wouldn't negotiate was the need to get approval from 2 tribes. They wouldn't agree to the settlement without that point. I'm sure that the NCAA knew Standing Rock would not change their mind easily. But the other choice was that UND would go on the sanctions list almost as soon as the trial ended, win or lose.

It's a contract. They would pay a penalty for getting out of it. And they have already played there for 10 years, so another 10 years would not be a shock.