GeauxSioux
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Thanks for the ad hominem on D-I, very impressive.
With respect to my challenge, I'll take your word on it. I'm glad to know you aren't hiding and I'm sure you are just as classy in person.
I also deduced that your entire argument relies on your interpretations and assumptions that could very surely be wrong, primarily that the AG's office didn't mischaracterize Chapman's 'demands'. And there is no way that you could know the truth, Sioux-cia!
Instead, you assume that Chapman "lied" when it could just as surely have been an error (deliberate or not) on behalf of the AG's office. You then begin spouting off terms like dirt bag and bald faced liar. One would have to wonder why an objective person would do so?
Additionally, there is no reason for Chapman to have "lied" to the AG's office, how would he benefit?
And he certainly hasn't benefited by contacting the press in aims to clearing up the information.
Thinks are certainly fishy, but to assume you know the truth, which you to do, and then disparage someones character based on your assumption lets everyone know where you stand. But feel free to share your position with the world.
Boy, you can't win. You get blasted at Bisonville for saying that Chapman was wrong
There are no secrets there in either the law or the actions of Chapman which violated it.and get ripped here. I remember that you moved back from Iowa to North Dakota about two years ago. Do I also remember correctly that you work for NDSU?
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Yup. And in the longer run that'll be worse, not better, for all.
Agreed.
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One could infer that the lack of support of Potts, the position of Chancellor, and the absence of any formal reprimand was in fact a referendum in support or President Chapman and his actions.
If that is the case, say goodbye to the SBoHE and NDUS.
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Why would Chapman be the fall guy?
He is completely out of line doing it, but no one is stopping him and many (the SBOHE and the governor) seem to support him.
"Seem to support". If the defecation hits the rotary oscillator, they will all be ducking for cover. That is when someone (Chapman?) will be targeted. He will be the most visible in this mess, as you demonstrated in your post and will have the biggest target on his backside.
Maybe you're right and they will all back each other up, but I know how politics can go and alliances deteriorate. Maybe not in North Dakota, but it sure happens elsewhere. I know Louisiana is a whole different animal from North Dakota and this mess quite obviously doesn't compare to Katrina. but look what happened there. Longtime friendships and alliances were broken. Escambia County, Florida where I live always seems to have some political intrigue going on from the school board to the sheriffs office to the county commissioners and you neve know who is going to cut who off or side with the opposition.
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Why would it be the undoing of Chapman?
Chapman's actions began in 2005 during the legislative session. Everyone in the know knew he was there and the SBOHE chose not to reprimand him.
They picked Chapman over Potts when all the latter was trying to do was his job.
If anything the SBOHE is a co-conspirator.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think the light shines very brightly on any of them, but if this "course of conduct" can be demonstrated and proven, Chapman may be the fall guy.
Iowa you seem to have pretty good pulse on what is going on in the SBoHE, so I trust what you when you say everyone knew, but that does not excuse any of them.
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Chapman at Work
Potts wrote in the letter that NDSU President Joe Chapman was, in his words, "actively engaging in a course of conduct designed to undermine the effectiveness, if not the very existence of the university system."
I believe we will see the trickle of information continue. If what Potts says is true, it could be the undoing of Chapman. The big question is does he have anything to substantiate or corroborate this or is this just what he felt was happening.
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This is like beating a dead horse but one more time Here's what I said...
"Please tell me what Potts has done during his tenure that even remotely approaches what Dr. Chapman has done not only for NDSU but for ND. I will be anxiously awaiting this reply as it hasn't been printed anywhere else. For a guy (Potts) that hasn't done anything but squander state money he's being defended vigourously by many at UND. That little fact alone speaks volumes about who feels threatened by Dr. Chapman."
As you can see I not only said NDSU but I also said ND. You are not able to come up with anything and you have proved my point.
Is this the appropriate place to use a "vaht"? I hope so, because it sure fits.
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Sorry, I was on vacation the last time this was "discussed".
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Actually I think he was talking about the music scence.
We got both types ya know, Country and Western.
I love the Blue Brothers. Good old Bob's Country Bunker.
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If it walks like a duck quacks like a duck its still a duck.
You're missing the point. Go back to your original post asking what Potts has done for NDSU. Chapman complained to Potts about UND opening up a campus in Fargo. Potts shut down the "campus". Potts did something for NDSU.
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It was supposed to have been shutdown but is still operating.
You are correct that there is still a presence, but it is not the campus that was opened in 2004. It is called UND Fargo Outreach.
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Please tell me what Potts has done during his tenure that even remotely approaches what Dr. Chapman has done not only for NDSU but for ND. I will be anxiously awaiting this reply as it hasn't been printed anywhere else. For a guy (Potts) that hasn't done anything but squander state money he's being defended vigourously by many at UND. That little fact alone speaks volumes about who feels threatened by Dr. Chapman.
To the glee of many at NDSU, didn't Potts shut down UND Fargo? Wasn't this because Chapman complained vociferously to Potts? Didn't Potts also end UND's telemedicine program? Also because Chapman was complaining to Potts? Sounds like Potts has done a lot for NDSU and not much for UND.
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Your jealously of Dr. Chapman is profound. The big problem is UND and what they and their supportors will do to keep the funding of NDUS the same. Protecting their own turf at the expense of the rest of the NDUS is all gf and UND are after, not the betterment of the NDUS.
So, through all that has gone on the past few months with Potts, Chapman, the SBoHE and the governor, the only thing that you can come up with is that UND is jealous of Chapman. Amazing.
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This argus article states a few schools budgets and UND's budget without hockey for 04-05.
The Argus shows UND athletic expenses at $4,700,873 without hockey. Using the figures from OPE for total athletic expenses of $9,958,728, would mean that the expenses for hockey are $5,257,855. I admit that I don't know the inner workings of UND's athletic budget, but does it sound right to anybody that the hockey expenses are a half million dollars higher than the expenses for everything else?
Aff, I'm not shooting the messenger here, just trying to get answers.
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I'll elaborate:
NDSU will only reach 63 this year. I'm pretty sure that this year Team Makers will nearly be at their long term goal-ie fully funded.
During the transition year '04-'05 almost all new $$$ went to football. Last year the increase went to primarily to women's sports. Where this is room to match the increase for football (about 5 for softball, basketball, and track and field; 4 for volleyball, 3 for soccer, 1 for golf ....22 almost matching the 27 for football).
[urlhttp://www.hsbaseballweb.com/scholarships_by_sport.htm]scholies
Also, Title IX guidelines may be satisfied by provided sports of interest to students (well, something like that) which is the path I'm pretty sure NDSU took, although I think they'd be okay with the relatively high ratio of male to female students. The interest of NDSU students' mapped well into the sports offered. If necessary another sport, ie equistrian, may be added later if student interests change.
Thanks, your explanation of the distribution of scholarships on the women's side is helpful. I had not previously heard that 22 scholarships had been added on the women's side.
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4. NDSU has dealt with Title IX with increased giving by Team Makers members and benefits from the high male/female ratio and student interest in the sports it already offers
I'm not sure that I follow this one. I understand that Team Makers had an increase in giving, but how does that equate to being in compliance with Title IX? If you're telling me that the scholarships that were funded by the increased giving is in compliance with Title IX, I would understand.
NDSU increased football scholarships from 36 to 63 in short order. In what sports did NDSU increase scholarships on the women's side to stay Title IX compliant? I understand that NDSU benefits from having more males than females, but to what extent?
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Honest questions to SDSU and NDSU fans, because I really don't know.
Was either school running a deficit prior to the move?
Did either school increase student fees to pay for the move to Division I?
How did each of the two schools fund their moves?
How did each school handle the Title IX issue? I know that SDSU was adding equestrian, was that enough to offset the difference in scholarships?
All of UND's athletic department meetings are available online. Is there anywhere where SDSU or NDSU has posted their meeting minutes?
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SDSU had a baseball game against the gophers in Sioux Falls. NDSU beat the gophers and badgers in softball. Nationally there isn't too much of a difference in those in my opinion. If you go south, baseball is much more important than hockey is, but their both relatively minor compared to basketball and football in college sports in the country. I don't really see the difference between any of them.
The difference is that UND plays and beats Minnesota and Wisconsin in GF, Minneapolis, Madison and on neutral ice in a sport in which the Gophers and Badgers are considered to be in the top 10 in the country every year. These games are televised and sold-out.
Minnesota and Wisconsin baseball and softball are not top teams. There is no way that the baseball or softball games against Minn or Wisc will be televised and sold-out.
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Sounds like someone I want in my conference!
Do you have a conference??
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I agree with you about baseball not getting many fans, but I'm not sure of just cutting the program either. It is definitely going to be a tough decision.
The decision gets harder.
I read recently in Sioux Illustrated that the baseball alumni have put together the Pinky Kraft Endowment.
In the article Greg Cascades says "Our goal is to raise enough money to ensure the program is endowed for it's future ...." and "As the Division I issue continues to linger at UND, the baseball program will need an increased level of support from its alumni to ensure the transition is successful if/when we make that jump."
Looks like baseball will be around for awhile.
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I think the board should be taking the lions share of the heat for this fiasco. The lack of oversight and a fair and equitable funding formula for all schools is what led to this. I believe if the funding issues are not resolved the next chancellor will have an uphill battle and its not fair to him or her nor is it to all the universities in the system.
I've been reading in a number of places that the board is responsible due to inequitable funding. I don't live in ND, so don't know the whole funding battle situation, but it would seem to me that there would have to be more than one school that feels that it was underfunded, but Potts claimed that his fight was with Chapman. Are the remainder of the schools funded above where they need to be and NDSU is the only school underfunded? The would be the only situation that I can see where the funding being "the issue". It seems to me it has to be deeper than funding, as Potts has said on more than one occasion that Chapman refuses to accept Potts' authority. I agree with you, insofar as oversight. This shouldn't have gotten this far, where the chancellor resigns.
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I'd say this would qualify the issue as 'core'.
2.6 The Principle of Nondiscrimination
The Association shall promote an atmosphere of respect for and sensitivity to the dignity of every person.
Okay, I'll bite on this one.
The word promote.
Once again Webster's: "to contribute to the growth or prosperity of"
Does this say require?
The words "every person" jump out at me, also. How in the world can an organization of any sort protect every person from being offended?
I'm sure that you have been to a few Sioux/Bison events where fans have gotten out of hand and respect and dignity were thrown out the window. Should the fans then also be banned for being "hostile and abusive"? Is the NCAA supposed to create an atmosphere where the sports events are held with each side just watching. No cheering, no emotion. Just sit there and watch. Welcome to the Fargodome. Sorry, I had to throw that one in.
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The NCAA reserves the power within its constitution to act as it did:
4.1.2. Duties and responsibilities (of the Executive Committee)
(d) Identify core issues that affect the Association as a whole-check
(e) Act on behalf of the Association to resolve core issues and other Association-wide matters-check
I couldn't find "core issue" in Webster's but here is the definition of "core" from Webster's
"a central and often foundational part usually distinct from the enveloping part by a difference in nature".
Does the executive committee also get to define what core issues means? How is this part of the foundation of the association?
How the NCAA could identify mascots, nicknames and imagery as a core issue for association as a whole is beyond me.
Potts Resigns
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Sorry.