The Sicatoka
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I would think the WAC would fit DU better than the WCC.....just from a geographic perspective.
Same could almost be said for Gonzaga (WCC vs WAC).
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DU ended up in the Sun Belt because there was really no other home for them at the time. Now, with NMSU and a couple others leaving the Sun Belt it's even less attractive.
From chatting with some folks more familiar with DU athletics, back when they went DI DU's preference would have been the WCC.
DU already has teams playing in other conferences while they're in the Sun Belt today (hockey, lacrosse, independent gymnastics, skiing, and others). So the BSC wouldn't support all their athletic programs: That's nothing new to DU.
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Unless Denver is looking at adding a I-AA football program, I doubt the Big Sky is contacting Denver.
I think you may need to re-read Fullerton's statement:
It doesn't say those they are evaluating have to play DI-AA football. It says they'll be looking at the schools that are going to be playing DI-AA, however, it does not say that will happen at the exclusion of others (those who don't play DI-AA football)."We are conducting an internal evaluation of every school that is available. ... And yes, that does include the Dakotas, yes that does include Northern Colorado, yes that does include Southern Utah - all the schools that are going to play I-AA," Fullerton said Monday, according to The Associated Press.The more important words are "... of every school that is available." The Sun Belt is coming apart. Who is available?
Gamble (Montana State, where NDSU's Chapman came from) is interested, but even he reiterates the past hurdle:
Afterward, Gamble said, "The door isn't completely closed." But he also admitted that the idea of additional travel into the Dakotas made some of the league's top brass leery, and the leaders told SDSU and NDSU to look elsewhere for conference affiliation in their ascent to Division I. -
Because the SF Argus-Leader story will disappear over the weekend, I'll post it here.
This is a quote of a SF Argus-Leader story. Credit them.
Door to Big Sky still open for JacksChris Solari
Argus Leader
published: 7/24/2004
School presidents to discuss expansion at Aug. 9 meeting
South Dakota State is back in the sights of the Big Sky Conference.
When the league held its preseason football meeting Monday in Flagstaff, Ariz., Big Sky Commissioner Doug Fullerton said the Aug. 9 conference presidents' meeting will focus on expansion, specifically mentioning four schools including SDSU.
"We are conducting an internal evaluation of every school that is available. ... And yes, that does include the Dakotas, yes that does include Northern Colorado, yes that does include Southern Utah - all the schools that are going to play I-AA," Fullerton said Monday, according to The Associated Press.
Those words are a distinct reverse in course from what the the Big Sky's presidents said in February 2003, the last time they met to talk about expansion. SDSU and North Dakota State jointly approached the Big Sky about membership last year, at which time Montana State President Geoffrey Gamble arranged that meeting.
Afterward, Gamble said, "The door isn't completely closed." But he also admitted that the idea of additional travel into the Dakotas made some of the league's top brass leery, and the leaders told SDSU and NDSU to look elsewhere for conference affiliation in their ascent to Division I.
"From my perspective, the Dakota schools have always been in the packages I've been interested in," Gamble said Friday.
"Part of what I hoped is that my colleagues would get to the point where they wanted to discuss expansion, and that's the point we're at now."
The Aug. 9 meeting is scheduled for 10 a.m. MDT in Salt Lake City. Dusty Clements, assistant commissioner for the Big Sky, said that it should last a few hours.
"It certainly would say that we're on their radar screen," SDSU athletic director Fred Oien said.
That radar didn't pick up SDSU last year for one major reason - geography. At that time, the Big Sky presidents felt the increased travel costs involved with adding the two Dakota schools made them unlikely targets for expansion. The presidents felt then that if expansion happened, it would be to the west.
Travel distance is certainly a topic that Gamble and his comrades will again discuss heavily this time. He said that SDSU President Peggy Miller and her NDSU counterpart Joseph Chapman have been working to allay some of those concerns.
"My perception is that my colleagues are more interested in seriously looking into expansion now than they were eight or nine months ago," Gamble said.
SDSU and NDSU enter their first year at Division I and I-AA for football as independent schools. Neither will be eligible for postseason NCAA competition until the 2008-09 school year.
"We talk about what South Dakota State could bring to a conference and our willingness to make that conference better," Oien said. "We understand we would be in the young crowd in any conference. We have some maturing to do ourselves, but we'll be able to bring things that will be beneficial to a lot of conferences."
Gene Taylor, NDSU's athletic director, told the Fargo Forum that he was "literally taken aback by the strength" of Fullerton's comments on Monday.
Fullerton was on vacation Friday and could not be reached.
One of the many rumors surrounding the Big Sky was that the conference was targeting former member Idaho for expansion if the Vandals returned to I-AA from I-A. Idaho recently accepted membership into the Western Athletic Conference, a league which plays I-A football.
Another rumor is that the entire league could potentially leave the Division I-AA football ranks for the big-time of I-A. The Big Sky presidents will also likely touch on that in Salt Lake City, Clements said.
"I think that will be discussed because (the presidents) will all be in a room at the same time, and that doesn't happen that often," Clements said.
Gamble said he doesn't expect the Big Sky to ask any schools to join at that time, but he admits that if six of the league's eight presidents vote yes that they could extend a membership offer that day. That is the required number of votes to make such a decision.
"We'll see how the conversation goes, to see if we're about to do that," Gamble said.
The presidents of the Mid-Continent Conference, the other league mentioned as a potential home for SDSU, met earlier this month and said they would continue to look at expansion. Tony Hamilton, the Mid-Continent's media director, said no further meetings have been scheduled.
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Because no one watches Pat Sweeney. I suppose, just a hunch.
Come on people!
Sometimes you have to take the good (Sioux hockey information) with the bad (no comment).
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I was told that Pat Sweeney had the list of applicants for the job on the WDAZ sports last night.
How come no one has posted it here yet?
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WYOBISONMAN said, "It is incredible the amount of conference turmoil. Makes me wonder when it will find an equilibrium point." -- I agree.
Isn't the point of this conference shell-game trying to move up?
Would Gonzaga rather be in the WCC or the WAC?
Would DU rather be in the Sun Belt or the Big Sky or WCC*?
The flip side is:
Which schools fit into which conference's demographics and desires?
Who does the WAC want? Gonzaga? DU?
Who would the WCC want if they were looking?
* DU wanted into the WCC when it went DI a while back. The WCC didn't want them (geography) and DU was left to go with the Sun Belt.
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I heard PCM turned down both jobs. He doesn't want to be the assistant coach, or the anonymous source.
Let me guess: You heard it from .... an anonymous source.
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But the only discussion that really matters is the one between Ottawa and Brandon.
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The posturing being done by Bochenski with Ottawa seems very similar to what Vanek is doing with Buffalo.
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I am still trying to figure a good reason for all this.
- To get out of playing games in a building in need of repair?
- To get badly needed additional training space for all the athletes?
- To get the recruiting advantages of both a new building and The Ralph?
- To have television-ready facilities?
- To be able to sell adult beverages?
- To give people something to second-guess on an internet board?
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Crazy, out of the blue thought: Isn't Gonzaga in Spokane, WA?
Gonzaga would go from the far north outpost of the West Coast Conference (nearest conference foe: U of Portland in Portland, OR) to near the middle of the Big Sky. However, Gonzaga would lose all the California exposure that comes with WCC basketball.
If there's even a remote thought of taking a "no football" Denver, wouldn't that (a "no football" Gonzaga) make some sense too?
This speculating IS fun.
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I think the Big Sky will be smart an remain an entirely All-Sport conference.
Wasn't it just recently that the Portland State Vikings begged the BSC for permission to drop mens and womens tennis, normally required for Big Sky membership, and the conference reluctantly agreed? That shows a recent willingness to move from the "all sport" philosophy, yes?
Plus, only one BSC school currently meets the DI-A football attendance requirements that go into effect in August. I'm not sure which others would consider it (considering they don't meet the minimums).
But like you say, who knows.
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The BSC as a ten-team conference with nine playing football?
That wouldn't make bad scheduling in the BSC revenue sports:
Football:
Nine teams would mean eight conference games (four home, four road) and room for each team to have three non-conference games in an 11-game schedule.
Basketball:
Ten teams would mean two games (home/road) against nine other conference opponents for an 18-game confernence schedule leaving room for 10 to 12 non-conference games.
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First, cfn567b27 is correct. Until the Ottawa puts out the press release the deal isn't done: Very similar to the Vanek situation. (Let's face it, in terms of "cheap" Ottawa's in Buffalo's realm.)
Then again sagard said, "Seems as though my favorite team is not likely done losing players either." Hey, what exactly do you mean when you say players. Is there someone beyond Vanek?
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I think it would be a good idea, but the money hungry owners probably wouldn't take off their precious income-producing advertisments to put on something entertaining.
What are you talking about?
On the system in MidCo I'm on it is blank with a simple "MidCo" logo, no ads, other than during games.
That channel is owned by Midcontinent Cable, not anyone else.
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The money was/is in place for the locker rooms. Soon after it was announced that NDSU might have to pay for the construction costs, a donor was willing to foot the bill on NDSU's behalf.
NDSU's lockers at FargoDome:
- Put a plan out there for a feature upgrade for tenant in a domed stadium
- Find the money to implement it along the way
Sounds like:
Alerus Center would give Fighting Sioux football a bigger presence. It could cost an estimated $287,000 and would be paid for under a cost-share plan that includes the Alerus Center, UND, the city and private sponsors and donations. -
Sica,
Thanks for referencing the Herald story. That clears thing up. (Sarcasm)
Yikes!
The sales tax to pay for FargoDome was supposed to "sunset" when it was paid for. It's paid for, yet the tax lives on.
Everyone seems to get nailed.
See what I said to 'Goon': "... everyone's taxes always seem to go up everywhere for whatever reason."
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For newer homes with significant specials remaining, a $190,000 home in Fargo would have a consolidated tax amount of $4160, PLUS specials with a yearly installment of $1840. A comparable home in GF would have a consolidated tax amount of $4435, plus specials in the yearly amount of $990. I don't know whether these specials are typical of a new Fargo neighborhood or not, but in any event, it would appear that it's quite possible that when factoring in specials, it may actually cost more in taxes for a new Fargo home than a new GF home, despite the fact that the consolidated amount of taxes is a little higher in GF.
Fargo special assessments for new brand new neighborhoods are running about $250 per linear foot of frontage. (Some in the new Osgood development could approach $400 per foot.)
If you have an 80 foot lot, that's $20000 you have to pay off over 15 years. Figuring 5% interest and 1/15 of the principal and you're looking at $2333 in just specials on the lot the first year and roughly the same for each of the following 14 years. Yes, just for the lot. Put your house on it and you pay the assessed value of that in consolidated taxes, in addition to the example $2333 for the lot.
Your numbers seem reasonable.
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Sica, does that mean that my property taxes are going up again. Also, do we get to vote on this?
Goon:
It was already in the budget, thus, there's nothing new because of this.
However, everyone's taxes always seem to go up everywhere for whatever reason.
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Here's a link to the story in the GF Herald.
Key points:
- Alerus asking for $250k as a line-of-credit for concert coverage. The City of GF had already budgeted that money (actually more) for promotions of Alerus and the Canad Inn (as part of the Canad deal). "It acts like a line of credit," Alerus Center Commissioner Evenson said. "We'll take the money and go get concerts, and when the shows make a profit, we'll pay it back."
- Alerus revenues are about $450,000 under projections. However, its actual net-income loss for the second quarter of the year is almost exactly what it was at the same time last year. Last year ended about "break even".
- Alerus Center that would give Fighting Sioux football a bigger presence. It could cost an estimated $287,000 and would be paid for under a cost-share plan that includes the Alerus Center, UND, the city and private sponsors and donations. I believe a review of FargoDome books will show a similar approach was used for Bison signage there.
- Contract negotiations with UND continued. Under the current three-year contract, UND pays the Alerus Center $17,500 per game, not counting playoff games. The Alerus Center keeps revenue from concessions.
I couldn't find the Alerus Center commission having to fire the Center's director for mishandling funds.
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Has another anonymous source spoken to the Grand Forks Herald?