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I would not be in favor of playing them unless we got home and away game plus fair amount of money to go there. That will never happen to big of ego blow for them. I see mountain West didn’t give them much of schedule for home. northern Illinois, Utep, Nevada, and finally Wyoming not one top team of conference coming here these would have been teams they could beat on road. If we take care of business this year we could capture local media coverage as they sit home and not playing until following fall. They don’t think that’s not going to hurt them and then upping ticket prices for this home scheduled I will be curious who they get to come here I got feeling it’s going to be difficult get somebody good know one wants to take risk to new FBS program where they could loose. I don’t feel sorry for them and we’ll see how this turns out.

I think johnson pretty much committed to Sdsu was once almost left and came back before he started his new position. The places he would consider probably just few and may not be offered for above reason. I think Jory would be much more willing to move if good opportunity did open up.

Enjoy it this year I willing to bet there will be big changes next year probably new coach Jory will be gon and Koenen also will be gone also. If Jory leaves could see couple more that could leave the program. If this happens take year or two get the program settled again and could see Schiller also movin

I have to agree that we should be 2-3 loss team but I would love it if we were one loss team it would guarantee we would be one or two seed for the playoffs. I hate it that all tough games are at the end of season because late season loss very likely will cost top one or two seed. There is very little then left to recover from a loss with committee for seeding. If we can claim top seed in the playoffs and long run in the playoffs is going to put the program front and center for state and region to promote UND Football. This where NDSU even if they are successful with winning record there season will be done before December. Local media and regional media are going to be paying attention to FCS playoffs especially in North Dakota and will continue as long as other Dakota schools continue to be part of FCS. I have my doubts Dakota Schools move up near future if they have to pay costs NDSU has committed to going into FBS and not getting much in additional revenue right away. Mcfeely latest article continues to put forth the numbers for additional costs to run FBS program there looking at 17.5 million to just to get in then another 8 million to.compete in the program plus additional scholarships costs, no figures for extra staff, travel costs are going to be huge traveling from eastern Illinois to Hawaii. Then costs to bring in FCS team that will draw and then giving away home date one of three years to get quality program and if they should be one these teams see how it goes to get home game after this. I have watched number of opinions consensus for smaller schools FCS has best playoff system it gives these teams maximum of exposure for these teams and also for number of players. This our time now to build this program nationally and I believe conference that NDSU went to with top teams in FCS will be put back together probably after FBS playoff formatted is completed and end of Bowl system reduces down to just few games for Holiday viewing and even that may not survive with new FBS playoff system.

For me it’s not the school only it’s also Fargo they are using The school to grow there Fm metro area on tax payers dime and in process consolidating power at expense of other regions in the state. The ag school was created to educate and improve agriculture through whole state but in my lifetime this hasn’t grown but has been concentrated in Fargo serving more agri-business that has concentrated in Fargo then rest of state. UND has also done some of that as well but they also had programs in there various fields to get professional staying in North Dakota like rural medicine initiative, majority of lawyers from the law school, and now aviation teaming with air force bases, defense, contractors, and getting planes being built here in North Dakota, and finally also working with oil industry develop people to stay work here in the state. These initiatives have been spread out through whole state su have research centers around the state but they have not grown since there inception back in 1950 s the growth if anything been done on campus in Fargo. I am not saying NDSU done important things but in last 25 years concentration of efforts have been right in Fargo. They as university my opinion they needed to be out through North Dakota helping develop other value added businesses through out whole state working with various ag businesses to invest through out the state. This my opinion now like I said several of my posts investment now in football program is for very few businesses in Fargo and it will come at expense of tax payer dollars and students now into the future. If state law makers we’re going to spend this kind of money and this was all done by few behind close doors think how people and media it would be front center with a lot of tough questions. I may see other opinions on this but this my opinion.

The beginning of next step by people pushing this move and now question is general public of Fargo going to support this all out funding to move of football forward. I think we’re going t see if group can sell this to general public of Fargo or will they meet resistance . If general public goes all in then football move will work until general public find the costs to high and want changes to be made. if they can’t sell this to general public and support for football continues remain about same and attendance gradually becomes steady average but not back when people were bidding to get into building. Then FBs is going to become anchor around the university financially I believe with deal they got going into conference play with not getting media money and not sharing NCAA money for number of years is disaster. I think NDSU is going to be in serious trouble with the state and large number of people in the state on there financial management of university will no doubt come under scrutiny with this latest amount spent on football. When you have FM area that has gown substantially in last 10 years but enrollment has declined significantly in same period of time are figures hard to sugar coat write off. The money spent seems to me has been directed to sports and but little has been done to upgrade the academic side of the school and at same time the costs to go there have put them in one of more expensive schools to region excluding private schools. I am not saying they are isolated among schools having this happening to them. They have invested to heavily sports brand not enough in all over brand for the school. I have friends who are big Bison supporters but have stopped supporting them financially because of increasing costs and demand for money for athletics but see core things that NDSU was established not receiving resources they need greater North Dakota but more emphasis on spending in FM area. So I think this move has many more legs that are going to surface because this move.

I have some serious questions on this for all public universities the money involved now especially at both UND and NDSU is becoming huge dollars how is this being monitored by state how money flows from outside interests to universities. I am wondering if there are auditing procedures and risk assessments in place other than at university level. The reporting on this it was small number people on discussion when this deal was done even reported by Fargo media. Yes, it will be paid privately but we also this does not mean rhere are outside parties benefiting from this in business deal for the athletic program. Also all talk athletic program money coming from charitable gambling to me that has implications this has gotten away from intent when charitable gambling was first set up by the state. What I remember was to help fund charitable organizations that either state or local governments were unable to fund but now seeing now this has been used to fund university sports and I know of it happening also at high school or parks recreation in smaller towns. I have to wonder if push back could come when state budgets get strapped need grows for general public and most people probably were unaware money of this magnitude was funding NDSU athletics. My gut feeling this sooner or later a scandal is going to develop when you mix gambling and high level sports together. I wonder what risks are to universities and to state this contract that was signed which longterm commitment with millions of dollars and done by tight group individuals in sports department and out going president and interim president not fully in place and who else that was involved this decision. Some points I am raising there very well be save guards but this discussion needs to be aired to public before the deal was done not just signed and spun to public after they have committed.

Fargo media Izzo and Mcfeely way overboard it will be interesting if this fails because this could to be huge financial risk for university the amount of resources to football when they needed to improve infrastructure on the campus get growth in enrollment. This is not to mention this going put other sports programs on hold there because I have to believe they are tapping into those dollars. I will also bet next president coming asking for funding from state is going to see some resistant especially looking at both down turn in ag and oil industry. I hear they say this was risk to stay but risk was NDSU falling from dominating FCS to just be good and Fargo only claim for success is football. My analysis is costs are only beginning for University for this move we will soon here first how imperative to update Dome but it will need to be studied then cost will be too much to remodel they will need new stadium so they can compete in FBS. Then they will need more facilities for the players village complex to house the players and all functions in one area close to new stadium. I would also like to be mouse in corner with other coaches at NDSU what they think of cost to just move football to this new conference. This may sound like sour grapes but it isn’t the university I believe has lost touch with there major vision educating our youth and helping our state to grow by helping one major industries to compete in this highly competitive world.

Team is making progress these younger players are starting to handle more mature players and starting to take advantage of defenses they are encountering. There is talent on this team but like tv announcer said other night UND is one of youngest teams in the Summit. We need now player that can look too now become player we can count on to get points from when they are being denied by other team that will make some of our present players even be better. I would bet Sutter if could.get off record discussion he is finally seeing improvement he was hoping for build on for the future.

The other big question is all sports or is it football only. I can see how they fund it if only football but if it’s all sports cost of moving up will bury them financially between travel and amount of money needed to make them winning football in FBS will drain all other sports. Just look at need to come up at least 1 to 2 million to cover coaching salary increases. If they move all sports you’re going to add another 2 to 3 million in coaching salary increases. The money of guarantee money from tv and other money coming needs to be huge. The state is not going to fund extra money to su with present cycle in state finances agriculture and oil industry is major recessions so state finances are going to be strapped for next 3 to 5 years. Even money in Fargo and state is not endless plus there administration is transition. Will out going administration going to secure funding from state leaders. Local media how much will they promote this because going forward very unlikely to for future access they have now in all sports but is different than there reporters are supporting a move up means it becomes like there following of professional teams followed here now. Just some things to think about especially for bottom tier FBS conference is economics there I do agree that FCS is becoming division II but bottom tier FBS conference will get very little national attention and very unlikely getting any exposure future playoff system just like we have in basketball now.

I would disagree on some of our young talent. Some of you two years ago saying same thing about our young talent and look how that talent developed to where they were scooped up by schools that play in higher level conferences. Our players went to schools like Baylor, Dayton, San Francisco, and NDSU ( now 40 something school in NCAA) and couple playing small midmajors. Playing freshmen and sophomores these players are going to look not ready or capable of playing at DI level. Especially when we have been playing 3 to 4 at time. There are very few freshmen and sophomores that can be above average. Finanlly number of these sophomores had very little playing time sitting on the bench the year before they came here. South Dakota has some success with there transfers but looking at there roster they will be looking again next year starting over and they are going have difficult keeping there young talent recruited. Yes we have at least 5 graduating after this season. I also think we will see few transfer but if they go I believe they will moving down to game playing time. Some of them if they are not happy will be okay to loose if they can’t buy into program but I see players like this in long run will never reach level of play they desire. There are several players on this team have talents but you can see they need to work on there game to become more rounded player because you can’t have big wholes in your game. I still think we’re rebuilding right way to build this program but we also need things to sell this program to attract top talent look what improvements in football and softball has helped move needle. Basketball is long over do on facilities the Betty should be solely home of Volleyball and we need whole new facility for basketball that looks like division I facility.

This season was never going to be anything but transition year of changing culture of the program and begin developing young players for the future and we are seeing the beginning of this now as the season progresses. I don’t care what Hutter said at beginning what he said is what all coaches must say but he knew he had huge rebuild in front of us. Number of fans here don’t understand Und has fallen from where the program was 80’s to 2000’s. It’s been failure to invest in program and let our competitors pass us in recruiting, facilities, and being top regionally program in women’s basketball.. What we’re seeing now is beginning of our future players to build this program Harris, Hillesheim, and Miller making jump to where they are showing they can play at this level. Piekny, Volmer, Ohnstad and Harvey have made progress but need to make step forwards some of this improvement is to develop physically to play at this level and requires time and off season work but if they do this they could become very good players to move this team forward. Finally we need to recruit and sign players that can make immediate impact to compliment this group now developing. then we need athletic department that needs to invest in basketball resources so it can compete in our conference and nationally. If this is done we will see if our present leadership is up to the task but right now it appears we’re on track to rebuild our basketball programs.its not all the coach and never should have been but this team effort.

Mcfeely just put out article on rating of best jobs in the Summit program based on number of factors they rated UND the worst job. This just shows Sather probably has been performing better than we know because hard to compete when whole program has huge deficiencies. I think Armacost is already reacting to this story with planned upgrades to facilities. This has long over due in the athletic program. This going to be interesting to see what happens for full athletic program.

Brewster had lost the team and he had lost key players also in last few years of his tenure. He also got lazy recruiting talent and his coaching also showed this too! Then look what happen to him and after here getting disciplined for his coaching plus coaching at division III level few years ago. When he won here it was built by Roebuck who left program in position at Division I level and he hoped move on up after that but it never came and he got lazy or had bad attitude wasting talent he had then. That’s what I remember and going to the games back then.

I was thinking same thing last night why would play so many of your starters with risk of injury to your starters. Two possible reasons one to keep your net rankings up as much as possible to get in as second team in Summit conference. Second to not show drop of talent in the bench on this years team. This is very good team but if you look closely getting away from starting five this team is not as deep as previous SDSU teams. Next year this will be team still pretty good but with Myer gone, Mathiowetz and Colbeck gone it is not elite team like it is now. The other three top players of Fox, Hartwig, and Vasecka are good but unless other younger players develop more they will still be top conference team but they will be beatable by other teams in conference. Now UND will probably get better if we bring couple of more talented players. I do agree I haven’t understood why Hutter hasn’t settled on rotation of players by now inseason instead of playing most of the bench. I think some of this majority of these players he has not played much basketball in last two years and wonder if this year they get chance to show if they can play and show if they play division I basketball. Ohnstad shows offensive potential but I do see some short comings on defense and have no idea what her work habits. Piekny looks like she has physical attributes but her performance from offensive side hasn’t been there this year. Miller at post has improved with two years eligibility can become effective player at post. The three freshmen of Hillesheim, Harvey, and Harris have shown they have athleticism to play a division I but if we had better talent ahead of them they should have been redshirted, Volmer can play at this level but she needs to get stronger because last night playing against older players she got pushed around a lot and didn’t have strength to finish offensively and even defensively. Fletcher hasn’t played enough hard to know much about her. Mathern can play certain role on team because her size and could become valuable asst in future. We have 5 senior players and they are here to help and teach these young players and be able finish there careers here. the reason people are still coming watching they are loyal fans and this group of players still play hard and showing they are still a team. They are also I believe they are coming to see these young players see how developing because number are the future here and many of you will be surprised how they develop over there years here. Whether Hutter will be successful will be players coming in next year and year after that if any these players develop into team like where these players came from where they were successful.