PCM Posted May 19, 2006 Author Share Posted May 19, 2006 From the Hampton Roads (VA) Daily Press: W&M alumni blast ruling The NCAA's decision on the Tribe name and school logo doesn't make sense, they say. William and Mary alumni weighed in Wednesday on the NCAA's decision allowing the school to keep the "Tribe" nickname but not the green-and-gold feathers on the "W&M" logo. Their reaction: ridiculous."Where is the fairness?" asked Bud Porter, a 1962 W&M graduate and former Tribe football player. "How can the NCAA allow an Indian with a flaming spear and war paint to ride around on a horse at Florida State and we can't have two feathers?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted May 19, 2006 Author Share Posted May 19, 2006 From the Hampton Roads (VA) Daily Press: Feather-brained On the W&M logo, the NCAA's logic and priorities are flawed Oh, spare us. With all the NCAA has to deal with, it's worried about feathers.Consistency doesn't seem to be an issue with the NCAA, either, since the Florida State Seminoles won approval of its mascot, a brave in war paint; it also uses tomahawks and a cheer called the "war chant." Now we're talking stereotypes. It's all part of the NCAA's ill-managed examination of team nicknames, mascots and insignia with Indian references. It ruled that teams with any insignia that it deemed offensive couldn't host post-season tournaments or bring uniforms, bands, mascots, cheerleaders or paraphernalia with such insignia to tournaments. It's like putting pepper in the eye of a wounded elephant: It has the effect, or possibly the purpose, of distracting from the real pain that pervades college athletics. Like the athletes - and coaches - gone wild from the University of Colorado to Virginia Tech to Duke, to mention just a few. But William and Mary had to waste a lot of time and energy on a self-study of its nickname. When it could and should have been spending that time and energy on issues related to its mission: the education and development of young men and women. When it could and should be dealing with matters more important than what's drawn on the cup you get at the concession stand. Spare us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted May 19, 2006 Share Posted May 19, 2006 Where did this come from? The Myles Brand Institute of Anally Derived Statistics? Myles has probably been talking to Phil Jackson recently. If it's 1% opposed, not a big deal, but if 5 or 10% want something changed, the other 95% or 90% should feel obligated to change their mind. We live in a world gone mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxMD Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 15JUN2006 William & Mary - Appeal The Executive Committee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 15JUN2006 William & Mary - Appeal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted June 16, 2006 Author Share Posted June 16, 2006 What the hell does "fighting" have to do with making something hostile or abusive? I think our guys are smarter than their guys. I think it's just a way of pointing a finger and saying, "Well, at least we're not as bad as them!" UND is doing the same thing with Florida State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted June 16, 2006 Author Share Posted June 16, 2006 Here's a summary of William & Mary's appeal to the NCAA. Although W&M does use the "we're not as bad as other schools" defense, many of the points it makes in its appeal are similar to those made by UND. Here's my favorite part: Well-intentioned policies pursued in a mindless fashion that allows for no exceptions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux-cia Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 The following is an example of a constant sentiment from many different factions. I wonder if FSU is going to say something in it's defense or because they have an exemption from the rules, just let it ride? http://www.wm.edu/news/?id=5972 .....embracing the depiction of a brave on horseback, in war paint, plunging a flaming spear into the turf at midfield, to the delight of 85,000 chanting, tomahawking fans, is, at best, enigmatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Illiniwek Supporter Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 So Franklin and Brand are basically saying here "oh no-William and Mary won't do". (I couldn't believe nobody has used that one yet.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 So Franklin and Brand are basically saying here "oh no-William and Mary won't do". (I couldn't believe nobody has used that one yet.) I think Brand's steely dan is not seeing any sunshine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DamStrait Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I think it's just a way of pointing a finger and saying, "Well, at least we're not as bad as them!" UND is doing the same thing with Florida State. Yes, but in UND's case the point was made BECAUSE FSU has received an exemption. I find W&M's effort to drag UND into their response rather mealy-mouthed as UND has received no such exemption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Illiniwek Supporter Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I think Brand's steely dan is not seeing any sunshine Also, it seems that there's little doubt that it is being gripped very tightly. Wherever it is, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted June 16, 2006 Author Share Posted June 16, 2006 Yes, but in UND's case the point was made BECAUSE FSU has received an exemption. I find W&M's effort to drag UND into their response rather mealy-mouthed as UND has received no such exemption. I understand that, but I doubt that FSU appreciates all the schools that didn't get waivers pointing at it and saying, "How come they get to be bad and we don't?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puck Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Tom Dennis, opinion writer for the GF Herald comments in his blog Prairie Pundit Although he wholeheartily supports Mike Jacobs 2 year "cooling off" period he seems to now realize that the NCAA is on shaky legal ground and a UND win would be the ultimate loss for nickname opponents. UND might just win this thing in court. It has a case against the NCAA, as attorney general Wayne Stenehjem declared and the William and Mary appeal document essentially confirms. And if UND wins in court, then the nickname will be etched in the university's "cultural granite" as deeply as it is in the Engelstad Arena's flooring and walls. The situtaion will not be "status quo ante," meaning as it was before the NCAA's action. Instead, UND will have emerged triumphant from a risky and expensive battle with a powerful national organization. I'd guess that such a victory would cement the nickname at UND for decades to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sterling Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 I suspect the U.S. Treasury will be the next one added to the list. My Webpage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Scott Hennan said today that William & Mary has joined UND in the lawsuit against the NCAA. Kupchella didn't seem to be knowledgeable of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted June 26, 2006 Author Share Posted June 26, 2006 Pres. Kupchella said on the radio with Scott Hennan today that William & Mary has joined UND in the lawsuit against the NCAA. Interesting.... Careful. Scott said a number of things that weren't accurate. I think this is one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Careful. Scott said a number of things that weren't accurate. I think this is one of them. Agreed, I made a mistake on how I posted that, and then changed my original post to be more accurate. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted June 26, 2006 Author Share Posted June 26, 2006 Agreed, I made a mistake on how I posted that, and then changed my original post to be more accurate. Thanks. I think Scott got William & Mary's NCAA appeal confused with UND's lawsuit. Maybe the fact that the appeal was written by W&M's Chancellor Professor of Law and Coordinator of Legal Affairs caused further confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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