History of Sioux Football

[bincitysioux]

I was just looking on the ss.com history page for the football site and was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about the Camellia Bowl, Pecan Bowl, and Mineral Water Bowl that UND played in in the 60's and 70's.

[iramurphy]

I was just looking on the ss.com history page for the football site and was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about the Camellia Bowl, Pecan Bowl, and Mineral Water Bowl that UND played in in the 60's and 70's.

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Back then there was no DIAA. There was DI, DII, and NAIA. I can't remember if there was DIII but I don't think so.

DII was made up of smaller Universities and Colleges that didn't play DI, and included almost all of the DIAA teams today in addition to teams that have since gone on to the real DI. Montana, Montana State, Northern Iowa, Youngstown State, San Diego State and UNLV among others. There were a number of Bowl games for DII teams and these three Bowl games were some of them. There were no playoffs. The Camellia Bowl was in Sacramento and thought by some to be the "Rose Bowl" of DII. It was televised on ABC. UND won all three of these Bowl games. Details of the games are in Lee Bohnet's book about UND Sports history.

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[bisonguy]

Back then there was no DIAA. There was DI, DII, and NAIA. I can't remember if there was DIII but I don't think so.

DII was made up of smaller Universities and Colleges that didn't play DI, and included almost all of the DIAA teams today in addition to teams that have since gone on to the real DI. Montana, Montana State, Northern Iowa, Youngstown State, San Diego State and UNLV among others. There were a number of Bowl games for DII teams and these three Bowl games were some of them. There were no playoffs. The Camellia Bowl was in Sacramento and thought by some to be the "Rose Bowl" of DII. It was televised on ABC. UND won all three of these Bowl games. Details of the games are in Lee Bohnet's book about UND Sports history.

Is that what you wanted?

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Prior to 1973, there were two divsions, the University Division and the College Division. Most of the College Division became members of DII (and DI-AA when formed) and DIII.

The NCAA Divisions I, II, and III were created in 1973. With the creation of the Divisions, a playoff system was then utilized to crown the national champion in Divisions II and III, as opposed to the poll system and regional College Division Bowl games (although the playoff championship game was sometimes a bowl game, such as the Palm Bowl in McAllen, TX)

The subclassifications DI-A and DI-AA were created in 1978. Prior to 1973, there were two divsions, the University Division and the College Division. Most of the College Division became members of DII (and DI-AA when formed) and DIII.

Here's a nice site with the scores from all the College Division Bowl games and other minor bowl games- College Division/Minor Bowl Games

[bincitysioux]

Thanks for the help! Where could one acquire that Lee Bohnet book?

[PCM]

Thanks for the help!  Where could one acquire that Lee Bohnet book?

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I got my copy at the UND Bookstore.

[ethanm]

The national champion was voted on when those bowl games were played. Because of that, the NCAA does not recognize any national champions prior to the tournament format starting in 1973. That is why NDSU claims 8 DII titles but the NCAA only recognizes 5. This also means that there has never been a DI-A football champion at least according to the NCAA.

DII championships by school

DI championships by school

[bisonguy]

The national champion was voted on when those bowl games were played.  Because of that, the NCAA does not recognize any national champions prior to the tournament format starting in 1973.  That is why NDSU claims 8 DII titles but the NCAA only recognizes 5.  This also means that there has never been a DI-A football champion at least according to the NCAA.

DII championships by school

DI championships by school

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Some of the bowl games were retained, or new ones created, as part of the playoffs.

The Camelia Bowl was the DII national championship game for the 1973-75 seasons, the Pioneer Bowl in 1976-77, etc..