SiouxVolley
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51 minutes ago, southpaw said:
You literally posted that Mankato likely needs to win a championship to get into the NCHC. What does that have to do with the economic and academic viability you are now touting.
The NCHC was formed once the writing was on the wall that the B1G teams were leaving the WCHA. That meant there were a significant number of schools still in the conference who didn't have a history of prioritizing hockey: the Alaskas, Bemidji, Mankato, Tech, and SCSU.
The other 5 started discussions with Miami, Western, and Notre Dame. The Irish had their NBCSN deal which the nchc coveted but not if it wasn't going to be an even split. After months of discussions, the NCHC schools said no to Notre Dame's demands one last time.
That left 7 schools and they needed an 8th. Looking at the options at the time, you realistically only had SCSU and maybe Ferris St and BG. St Cloud had already shown more financial commitment to hockey compared to the other two so they were added.
None of it had to do with winning or media market like you say are why St Thomas and ASU will be added. The future of the NCHC is with schools in the region who improve the commitment to hockey.
Championships build fan bases. It's rather simple. Mankato isn't that popular now but if it won, it's economic viability vastly increases. Another stupid comment by a self professed expert.
Michigan Tech renovated their arena and has won three championships, but Upper Michigan simply doesn't have enough people. Tech's graduates mostly live in Lower Michigan and rarely congregate except in Detroit for hockey
Tech has a proven hockey commitment which you deny, so throw your opinions out as they are garbage.
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There is a prime arena opening in Utica, NY, but it doesn’t have a college team.
SUNY Polytech or Utica would have to move at least to DII.
https://romesentinel.com/stories/officials-hail-groundbreaking-of-44m-nexus-center,92626
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2 hours ago, Vegas_Sioux said:
Seems like the same reason the original jets retired to the desert.
The Jets have been trying for years to pawn the AHL team to Thunder Bay, but their have been roadblocks:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/thunder-bay/thunder-bay-event-centre-plan-scrapped-1.3015219
Getting rid of the AHL team would make Winnipeg less saturated.
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Cirrus Aircraft saw another record year. But the new plant in McKinney, Texas, May impact the Grand Forks plant output.
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Appears Winnipeg has too many hockey teams with the Jets, Moose and the WHL:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-jets-tickets-demand-business-true-north-1.5462921
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My point was that the NCHC didn’t form on basic hockey principles and history, but on economic and academic viability. If hockey history and passion were so important,, where is Michigan Tech? Michigan Tech has rigorous academics, and a major endowment, but doesn’t have a viable media base.
Notre Dame even gets a special deal from the P5, and they are not going to be equal to a bunch of hockey schools.
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1 hour ago, jdub27 said:
Notre Dame "walked away" because the NCHC refused to give them what they exactly what they wanted, which is what Notre Dame is accustomed to. It had nothing to do with them not wanting to be in the conference and everything to do with how their TV rights and revenue share was handled.
N Dame refused to be an actual partner and the NCHC was not high faluting enough for them, as they took their own deal with bigger name name schools like BC, UConn, Providence and the Hockey East with a separate NBC Sports deal. The NCHC was just too low of a conference in name to be associated with and besmirch their precious name just for hockey. But then walked away for similar deal the Big Ten and NBC Sports, which most had never assumed they would do as ND and the BIG are mortal enemies.
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1 hour ago, southpaw said:
The NCHC didn't form because of academics and media market and that's not going to drive the addition of new members. If it had, Notre Dame would have been a founding member of the NCHC. Instead, the new conference walked away from the Irish. New members will only be added if they've demonstrated both a significant commitment of athletic department personnel for hockey AND a significant commitment of financial resources. On ice success obviously is helpful, but to think Mankato needing to win a championship plays any role in their acceptance to the NCHC is naive.
Mankato's best chance for joining the NCHC is ASU finishing their arena. A Bemidji/Mankato for WMU/Miami trade is a net loser for the NCHC because of the money each school contributes to the conference. While the conference is now self-supporting, there are still amounts that need to be paid per school each year.
Notre Dame walked away from the NCHC's formation, saying another else is beyond naive, but what can we bring expect from southpaw. Notre Dame hadnt done anything in hockey before that time, but yet received the royal treatment. Miami is almost royalty in academics, and WMU isn't bad, but WMU was left waiting for ND's decision. SCSU was scoffed at by DU and CC but it won because it was the closest school to MSP, not because of its performance to date.
UST is almost looked at as DU's twin, so it will get Colorado's votes, when an arena is built. UST knows this isn't DIII anymore, and performance is required to get MSP attention.
ASU would be in now based on media and academics, if they had an arena. ASU now will have two consecutive NCAA berths, and they only had enormous potential but had never demonstrated anything like southpaw said. Same with UST.
The Big Ten and Ivy didnt form because of media and academics but because athletic events need opponents. The Presidents reached out for similar schools to start a conference. The same thing has been happening for 150 years.
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Austin Peay U outside Nashville and High Point U are constructing new arenas for hockey. Liberty and Lindenwood have wanted DI hockey for years. Wouldn't at all be surprised if it happens in few years.
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5 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:
More likely to happen:
NCHC and (new) CCHA make a trade (BSU/MSU-M for WMU/Miami), or
St Thomas as eighth member of CCHA7.
If St Thomas to CCHA happens first, I don't see BSU and MSU-M leaving the CCHA.
But if "the trade" I speculate happens first, St Thomas is a bit isolated.I would bet CC and DU would block MSU_M and Bemidji. They are totally on board with ASU and St Thomas because of academics and media market.
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The Avs- Kings outdoor game at AFA academy drew fan: 44,000.
But their experience was not great due to improper planning.
https://thednvr.com/nhl-forgets-fans-are-the-point-with-disastrous-stadium-series/
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13 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:
doesn't anyone want ASU or doesn't ASU want anyone?
The Alaska schools would take them right away to rebuild the WCHA. Also, suspect Simon Fraser would join them as well as a couple of western schools that were named on this board.
Ariz St needs an arena finished before any other conference would accept them. In the NCHC, Imagine that Western and Miami are opposed because of travel and time zone difference. The new CCHA doesn’t want teams outside it’s footprint.
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St Thomas and St John’s are playing their last conference rivalry game in US Bank stadium.
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7 hours ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:
So when does Miami and Western get swapped with Mankato and Bemidji? #CCHA
So the WCHA7 officially became the CCHA.
https://d2o2figo6ddd0g.cloudfront.net/l/f/aqbzrepbnzc9yb/CCHA_Press_Release.pdf
Mankato has a chance for the NCHC, but they probably need a championship. iMHO, St Thomas has passed them if they get a new arena. But in the meantime, St Thomas will be WCHA team #8.
https://www.inforum.com/sports/hockey/4958027-CCHA-name-revived-for-new-college-hockey-conference
BGSU owns the CCHA name, and there has been rumors for several years that it would restore the name, with new members.
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Possible American Centers for the hockey universe:
ESPN awards the center to Edina.
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Here’s most of the options that the MEAC has after losing Hampton and NC A&T.
https://hbcugameday.com/2020/02/07/ncat-move-meac-future-expansion/
SC State, Bethune-Cookman, and many of the MD based schools have questionable futures.
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Here’s an article on why internet retailers now want physical stores.
Another related reason is that Amazon keeps track of their internet shops and tries to knockoff their biggest stores. Shopify, a competitor to Amazon, has gained many of those business clients.
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New Haven's board has approved DI and FCS and a new athletic center:
https://mobile.twitter.com/robthompsonlive/status/1226827580453593088
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On 2/15/2020 at 11:19 AM, Cratter said:
The internet as also made it possible for small specialty shops to be run by "mom and pop" just like the old days. Etsy has become a pretty big player online. These companies just dont have physical store fronts. There's a member on this forum who sells merchandise there.
Article in the Herald today about the brothers who opened up a apparel company in GF. Sounds like their orders from merchandise sales from there (small to me) youtube channel has pretty good demand.
Physical shopping is changing and will be more about "the experience."
The rules of retailing expansion have reversed. Now, one needs a internet presence first and later maybe a physical presence in large metros. The losers in this retailing world did not respond physically to the internet threat. Bigger retailers like Walmart and Target are now much more formidable because they invested early to the threat. But smaller companies that started via the internet have actual physical stores, like Un-tuck-et and others. But Grand Forks probably isn’t large enough for those smaller internet outfits to have a physical store.
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19 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:
DAE was big in this one, but another big performance was from G. His 14 points off of the bench was much needed. 2nd time in 3 games where he has scored in double figures.
If he can have a strong finish to the season, that could give UND a bench threat they so desperately need.
I can't wait to see what he can do next season with a full offseason and summer program.
In the one game I saw at the Betty, G was so fundamentally solid so knew we had a contributed on our hands. More for next year. Now we need that Chicago recruit to step up for n ext year replacing Marlon.
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8 hours ago, southpaw said:
Just wait until the faculty find out EWU is adding thousands of seats and millions of dollars in expenses: https://www.inlander.com/spokane/ewu-faculty-write-report-suggesting-cuts-to-athletics-budget-or-even-eliminating-it-entirely/Content?oid=19099082
EWU has had declining enrollment and the faculty is mad that they don’t replace retiring faculty.
FCS hasn’t helped even though they have won a championship and many playoff games. EWU need’s to expand their attractiveness to students, and FBS can be a way. CWU has vastly expanded enrollment over that last ten years at the D2 level, there are precious few D2 western fb schools, and CWU wants FCS soon,
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This article says Colorado is the most underrated hockey hotbed in the country.
I would rate North Dakota higher, specifically Greater Grand Forks.
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UT Chattanooga is to build a grand athletic facility
The football stadium already seats enough for FBS. Expect UTC to get an ASun bid.
A $22 million remodel of their stadium has already been announced.
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On 2/10/2020 at 4:46 AM, MafiaMan said:
Where in that article do you read into the idea of a breakaway conference involving Vermont, UNH, Maine, and UMass-Lowell?
This editorial says Hockey East should follow the lead of the strongest hockey conference, the NCHC, rather than going to a multi sport conference.
https://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2020/02/11_Commentary-Hockey-East-Can.php
BU and Northeastern used to be members of America East too, so any changes could have been easily accomplished ten years ago.
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NHL expanding to Seattle in 2014?
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The AHL does not do good in Canada compared to major juniors. St John and Thunder Bay don't have major juniors teams.
Correction: St John has a major juniors team.
The only other AHL teams in Canada are located near the parent NHL team for interest: the Toronto Marlies and the Laval Rocket for Montreal. That's 3 out of 31 AHL teams. Bizarrely, Canada just doesn't consider the AHL to be Canadian enough.