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Guess there are some reasonable Bison fans, but they just don't post on Bisonville other than a few like Wyobisonman, who's being attacked there for similar views.
http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/374121/group/Opinion/
As a graduate of NDSU, I feel the image of the school is tarnished by this behavior and even more so by the reaction of NDSU administration.
Voter fraud is an attack on the very foundation of democracy, and these players abused it to line their pockets. They conspired to get others to do the same and have caused harm to our political system. I do not support the petitions they abused, but I feel NDSU has failed in their responsibility to teach ethics to the students. In the past they at least paid lip service to ethics.
If convicted, these players should be banned from playing football. Contrary to NDSU staff opinion, this is a serious offense and should be punished severely.
If Bresciani / Taylor had gotten in front of this before the RMU game, the media uproar would have been quelled. Massive failure by Bresciani and especially Taylor (who doesn't seem to believe his "kids" did anything wrong).
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Apparently, Sec of State Jaeger was on KFGO this morning and reiterated the need for felony charges in the event of future petition issues.
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Travis Beck Sentencing. With the ASPEN Program, looks like he'll be forced to miss class and practice, but not any games.
1. 1 Required Condition, 11 09/11/2012, Closed 09/11/2012
2. Attend ASPEN Program, . 09/11/2012 - 09/26/2012, Active 09/11/2012
3. City Work Program, Restore 40 hrs CWP - contact RESTORE by 9/18/12 09/11/2012 - 10/18/2012, Active 09/11/2012
Fee Totals: Fines/Fees $300.00 Victim-Witness Fee $25.00 Fee Totals $ $325.00
Confinement: Agency: Cass County Jail, 30 Days
Suspended: , 30 Days
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Apparently there's a process going on that people on the outside don't know about.
I don't know of one fan of the Bison that wants to support a dirty program. We are not a win-at-any-cost group. We're proud of the type of program that Coach Bohl has been running. He has a 10 year record of consistent, fair, and firm dealings with players. The conference season is still almost 3 weeks away. Apparently there's a process that no one on the outside is privy to. I can't predict what will happen, but it's clear that NDSU has not completed the process.
Just the fact that Bresciani had to send out an internal email inside NDSU to calm the troops shows that NDSU's failure to get ahead of the issue has been a PR disaster. All those national news stories and all the nasty editorials in ND against NDSU could have been avoided if Taylor and Bohl were not so hardheaded. RMU was a cupcake game, yet at least one of those two objected to any type of suspension before it. Unbelievable stupidity and disdain for ND laws.
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Perhaps an example of the Big Sky giving us an edge of Twin City kids. Fly to western cities vs bussing to Macomb?
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Funny but that is not how I remember people here responding to Oshie's, Toew's, Frattin, et al troubles. Unless I am forgetting something. Funny if they had so out in front this should have been talked about by Sept. 2nd which was 9 days ago.
And you wonder why you didn't get tenure ?
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http://publicsearch....?CaseID=2447267
Dan Senkbeil: Failure to halt, possession/consumption of alcohol by person under 21. August 31, 2012.
Contrast the response here with the Bisonville response to minor and shoplifting charges for their basketball team. Bison fans make excuses for behavior. UND fans accept the players' punishment without whining.
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So no?
Absolutely not. Just a slime ball thrown by a bizon fan.
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Did Marcus Hendrickson get suspended for his recent DUI and Driving under Suspension?
Douche:
There is a Marcus Ray Hendrickson of Minot with a DUI
There is a Marcus Henry Hendrickson of Grand Forks/Perham.
Entirely different people.
Both were born in 1989.
Where did you get your remedial reading from? NDSU for sure.
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Beck's original court appearance was scheduled for last week, but the deferred 5 day jail time would have messed with the Colorado St game. This two week off period before Prairie View would be the perfect time to serve a 5 day sentence. Wouldn't want jail to mess up the CSU game now would we, Gene!
Speaking from experience, a standard deferred sentence for a minor is a $1000 fine and 5 days in jail. I certainly would've ran from a cop if I had been drinking and caught within a year of that original minor.
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One can search the records by North Dakota, listing all offenses.
There is another Travis Beck who had one minor well before LB Beck. NDSU's Travis Beck had a minor in Ramsey County with a deferred sentence pending good behavior until he is 21.
Wait a minute.
Does that say Beck's 06/06/2011 MIP was his second and this 7/23/2012 violation is his third alcohol related violation?
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Motivation is the problem with Sioux opinions about North Dakota State. Resentment is your game.
Do you think Bohl knew about Beck's Ramsey County incident last year and his deferred sentence?
With Beck's number of driving citations, Bohl can only be sympathetic.
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Http://publicsearch.ndcourts.gov/search.aspx
City of Fargo vs Beck, Travis Andrew (LB, NDSU)
7/23/2012. Resisting a police officer
7/23/2012. Minor Purchase Alcohol
9/11/2012. Court Date
Also,
06/06/2011. Minor (2nd)
Deferred Sentence
Condition: Violate no criminal laws through 12/6/2012
Guess the defendant may have had a compelling reason to resist a police office with the previous deferred sentence.
Wish him all the best, but he's been playing with no suspension for multiple minors, buying as a minor, and a resisting police charge.
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Already stated what NDSU (or UND for that matter) should have done:
Suspend the players for one or two games starting with the RMU game, alternating the suspension games so that no more than two players would be out for any one game. Other schools have done the same thing for athletes that cheated. Grnted, NDSUs situation is far worse, as the cheating is criminal. But at least Taylor wouldn't be so brazen about his lack of ethics.
You were spouting Bohl's and Taylors line, which made you a liar too, so understand why you should be upset by what is posted hre.
So, what would you do under the same circumstance with 8 und football players? It sounds like you have all the answers. So tell me, seriously tell me?
If this get pleaded down to a minimal charge, they will likely get a game or two suspension, but that will likely occur after their case is heard. Would you run your und players out of town or kick them out of school? Tell me what you would do to 8 und football players in the same circumstance? Sure, the media and boards like this are going to speculate on the legal outcome, but all the coach and ad really have to deal with the legal facts which are not yet clear, not the whining media and fans on other boards. But, please carry on and try to make heads roll, I wouldn't expect anything less.
I think this situation is really stupid, and that discipline is likely warranted at some point for this fraud. But it not the kind of situation that warrants immediate expulsion from the team or suspension. It's the kind of thing you let play out and you react to the facts. There are certain violations that warrant immediate reaction to get a player off the team, this is not one of them in my opinion. You react after the case has been heard. I think it would be handled that way on nearly any college campus.
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Sorry. Posted in wrong thead. Can this be moved?
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Lost two more matches that UND would have won last year: vs Rice and Ole Miss. Getting into the NCAA will be very difficult. Fourth is in the BSC is probably the best that can be hoped for without major growth in team awareness this year. Hardee will get this program into the top 50 or better in the near future.
Replacing Annika Smed and Devin Trefz was going to be difficult. Smed and Trefz were probably the best players in UND volleyball history.
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During the past week, Bison fans were spouting off all kinds of reasons why no suspenions were necessary:
Terra forced them to act unethically,
Terra never instructed them properly,
The payments were illegal (they aren't)
Bohl knows more than we do, so let's trust him,
Only a few signatures were forged,
No players have admitted anything,
No drugs or alcohol was used,
Bohl will give out suspensions if there are guilty verdicts,
We need to let the legal proceedings play out.
Then it is determined at a starting LB was picked up for a minor and resisting police. No suspension.
Everything that bison fans have been spouting off on this subject has been lies. That whole fan base just needs to admit that Bohl, Taylor, and Bresciani have no ethics but winning.
At the press conference, Bohl said he would let the legal process play out. Taylor and Bohl had no such intention. Taylor is flipping the bird to ethics, the ND legal system, ND people, NDSU Student code, and constitutional principles.
Bison fans are applauding Taylor now. This is not the ND I grew up in, its more like Chicagoland politics. Disgusting. Not one bison fan has called out Taylor and Bohl to do the ethical thing. Instead, they come here and nitpick about IAA vs FCS, when even FCS wants to rid itself of the FCS label.
How can it not be concluded that NDSU leadership and their sheep fans are anything but ethically and morally challenged?
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Tragic comedy from the same article:
“He (Bohl) told us there is a lot of hating on you right now,” Lund said. “It’s really the first time I’ve seen him so emotional.“There was the thorn in the side, some salt in the wound. There were a lot of people kind of doubting us and kind of bad-mouthing us for a couple of players who decided to do a criminal activity.”
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So 10 current players can be charged with Class A misdemeanors, mess up the whole political process in North Dakota, and Taylor say these players can been through "enough" without ever seeing the court of law. Wow. Unbelieveable. Guess Taylor is their jury, not the laws and legal process of ND. Could Taylor be less principled, unconcerned with cheating and lawbreaking? If these players had been non-athlete students and cheated on a test at NDSU, they would have been suspended or kicked out of school. But cheating on legal documents that affect the ND political process is perfectly fine.
“There are not going to be any suspensions,” Taylor emphatically said after the game. “These kids don’t deserve a suspension. I’m not going to suspend them and neither is Craig (head coach Craig Bohl). As far as we are concerned, it is over.”
This statement was made with NDSU President Dean Bresciani standing only a few feet away. Bresciani said he did not want to comment, saying he does not comment on inner-department matters.
“What’s going to happen in court, in my opinion, is going to be a lot less than what people think,” Taylor said. “At the end of the day, these kids have been through enough.”“It’s over,” Taylor reiterated. “They felt horrible, they felt horrible. Every day, their pictures are in the paper, day after day after day. It gets and old and it does get to them.“They were villified many times over and to come out and perform like they did, it’s hats off to them. I’m tired of talking about it and I’m tired of seeing it in the paper. People need to move on because it’s not changing.”
Taylor is the one that needs to move on out of the state of North Dakota.
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It wouldn't surprise me if AD Taylor is the person adamantly against any suspensions. He desperately wants an FBS AD position and likely thinks continued on field success trumps a clean program. There are personality reasons he has been overlooked in the past and this will make it worse.
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NDSU has made more national news with this story than with FCS Championship,
Minneapolis Star-Tribune column outraged by NDSU's callousness
Minot Daily News editorial demanding action by NDSU
GF Herald and Bismarck Tribune with similar editorials
Fargo Forum suggested Jamison be reinstated for consistency
Both sides of political aisles disgusted by NDSU's lack of action and disdain for ND laws.
Doesn't Bresciani realize the entire way this issue has been handled has been a public relations disaster? And what worse time for it to happen, four months ahead of legislative session.
If NDSU suspends the players for Prairie View A&M, the outrage will be worse: giving into pressure but only allowing suspensions for an easy win. Again, NDSU football supercedes ND law.
NDSUs leadership ethics are further tarnished now, with no way out. The actions of Bohl, Taylor, and Bresciani are even more stupid than the actions of the players.
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Bohl could have announced that a fair suspension plan would have that one Bizon player would be suspended for each of the next eight games. That's how other schools have dealt with mass suspension issues.
Instead, Bohl, Taylor, and Bresciani show that Bison football supercede ND state law. None of them possess the ethical character that is demanded of their positions.
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Bison fans in unison: "Bohl is a disciplinarian." LOL
Bison fan chorus: "We trust Craig and Gene will do what is right." LOL
Bison fan chant: "Other programs are less ethical than us." LOL
Eight Bison football players charged
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If a business or engineering student left for a multimillion dollar contract, no one would say squat. Four olympic medalists in 2012, nearly ten former players making a million or more a year, MVPs in the NHL. Yeah, quite a "mill".
A true "mill" is one where "scholar-athletes" cheat at $9/hr jobs and get indicted for it.