yababy8
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Here comes your University of North Dakota Fighting......Hawks!!!!!! It will take some time, but it will grow.
You can put whipcream on a turd and it's still a turd. :-)
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Google Fighting Hawks in images
and if they do fight, they fight each other. Not so team oriented...
Fighting only works as a superlative connotation if it refers to people nicknames or maybe animals who group in packs and fight others...
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Google Fighting Hawks in images
I see soaring, I see hunting, maybe a little dancing? Some fussing? Surely nothing to inspire me to feel good about Fighting with Hawks.
But maybe I'm just a stubborn Fighting Nodak! lol
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Voting starts tomorrow. This needs to be said:
The idea of North Dakota adopting the official nickname "Fighting Hawks" is both completely illogical and totally and absolutely in every way not unique or representative to our region, state, or school.
Hawks don't fight: While I do concede that I am not an expert in ornithology, I'm pretty sure the idea of hawks fighting is completely nonsensical. Hawks soar, hawks prey, hawks hunt and they probably do some other things to kill time but they don't fight. Do we really want to have the official name of our school be something that doesn't even make sense?
Hawks isn't original at all: Somewhere on this forum there are stats on how many schools who have had to change their native American nicknames opted to go with Hawks as a nickname and the number is astounding! Look it up.
Make no mistake about it, Changing our name to Fighting Hawks is actually changing our name to Hawks. Fighting can be put in front of any name and by the way of the three names up for vote it fits Hawks the least by a million miles. Fighting Roughriders- 0k, Fighting-Nodaks-I like how this sounds, Fighting Hawks-Huh?? really?? ...hey look at those hawks fight! They are very impressive fighters those hawks..
The fact that Hawks got Fighting included in it as a nickname option is almost a little suspicious? One could argue that putting 'fighting' with hawks was a ploy to manipulate people into being drawn to a generic name by including fighting in the name making it feel similar to "fighting Sioux'? I'm just saying.
Please tell everyone you can these reasons to NOT vote for Hawks.
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Pretty hard to do anything but compliment H for what he has done in net. You really do have to give him a pass on the first several shots he faced in his career. After that, he has delivered.
He is getting more solid in his positioning. And I'm liking his glove.
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I'm very excited that we are keeping the Cags-Schmaltz-Boeser line together. I think they have the potential to be on par with the the DOT line.
Border reminds me of Oshie!!
I'm even more excited that I get to watch the game live!
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Well that would be the official name listed in all programs, print media, etc. Also, the public address announcer at the REA every time the team comes onto the ice.
It's funny that the argument is "Who would ever say the full name of the team?" Like no one ever says Alabama Crimson Tide, Oregon Ducks, Minnesota Gophers, etc.
Minnesota Gophers sounds ridiculous. They usually say "Minnesota Golden Gophers."....
Could you imagine if the University of Minnesota was attempting to come up with a new nickname in a case where they had another nickname before,(say hypothetically they were the Minnesota Vikings) and Minnesota Gophers was suggested as a new name? Oh my, people would be losing it...
I bet the forum could do some satire with that one right there don't ya know?
...there are a lot of nicknames out there but there are a lot less nicknames which are really great names.
I'll stick with the Fighting Sioux thank you.
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How does one "RETIRE" a name. Are we going to throw a party for it?
I mean even when someone dies you don't retire their name? Names don't get retired. it's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. This whole thing is so stupid I can't even comprehend it.
How can people be so stupid? We should all be ashamed of ourselves for letting this happen.
Retire the name?! If people want to call themsrelves the Sioux then they will call themselves the Sioux. Pretty simple. That's the whole idea of what a name is, what do you call yourself.
Who ever heard of the idea that someone can tell you what you call yourself.
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So let's fast foward to, let's just say, the year 2022. The new name and logo have been in place for several years. Every current student athlete will have only played under the new name. Teams will be wearing jerseys with the new name and logo. The Alerus, the Betty, and yes even the Ralph will have the new name and logo displayed prominently. You are telling me that you are still going to continue to wear your outdated Sioux jersey and yell a retired name even though many will be cheering and displaying the name and logo of the ACTUAL nickname for UND?
"and yell a retired name"
WtF is a retired name? Who came up with that phrase! RETIRED?? Please!!
...oh and my Sioux apparel will be brand new..
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You failed to answer what criteria was met by the Fighting Sioux nickname in order for you to proclaim that it "fulfilled its purpose like non other in the history of teams and the names used to identify them"?
Simple question to a strong assertion.
You are corect. I have not answered that.
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Just to be clear, what exactly is that purpose that it fulfilled better than all other nicknames? Can you point to me games and championships that were won because of a now retired nickname? Which losses over the past couple years were because the teams no longer had the Fighting Sioux logo on the front of their jerseys?
Pride is one thing but the deity status that some people continue to put on an inanimate object are frankly unbelievable.
Thank you for asking this very relevant question, What is the purpose of a nickname?
I will not point you to the games which the nickname has one as I do not believe that is the purpose of a nickname. Thank you though for attempting to debate an assertion that was not made.
Next you even go further and throw out the deity status association because I proclaim to love our name. I love my children, my wife, my mom, my country, my hometown, my house, and even most days my driver(golf club).
I think we should agree that we can both love things and further have strong feelings about keeping them and not having to let them go while at the same time knowing that these things are not deities. But nice try.
We'll just go ahead and call this tactic 4:
Those of us who love the Sioux name and plan to continue using it are now radical fundamentalist. Good one!
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As much as you are trying to be funny, this is the reason the majority of people support the "no nickname" option. Look at the pictures from rally to support the North Dakota option...the was wearing a Sioux hockey jersey!! Groups like The Sioux Were Silenced are in support of the no nickname option. What does that tell you? So as much as you laugh and make fun of everyone else labeling "no nickname" supporters as "Sioux forever" supporters, the fact is that it is true for the majority.
agreed.
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There was also a group of Native American students also filed a lawsuit against UND requesting the University to discontinue the use of the Fighting Sioux name not to mention countless protests and complaints. There was by no means universal support for the Spirit Lake lawsuit (which should be noted was filed without standing and immediately thrown out).
I get the strong connection and support for the Fighting Sioux nickname (I'd guess it would be almost unanimous around here, myself included), however it is apparent that you and others aren't going to let it go even though it was obvious long ago that the best thing for the overall health and future of the University of North Dakota was to move on while respectfully honoring the past. Maybe you don't care about the University outside of what the athletic teams are called and wear on their jerseys but there are many stakeholders that do and can see the much bigger picture, which doesn't include a nickname that continues to draw incredibly scrutiny, negative media attention and waste resources that should be spent on furthering the goals of the University, not a battle that was lost long, long ago.
Absolutly Amazing how much BS can be jammed into one post. Let's look at your tactics, they're the standard around here:
Tactic 1: Your attempts to marginalize the Spirit Lake lawsuit against the NCAA is as laughable as it is predictable. Stating that a "group" of students who filed a lawsuit against the name is equivalent in meaning to a law suit filed by the Spirit lake tribe is nothing more than a simple manipulation aimed at minimizing the value and relivence of what it meant and continues to mean with respect to what position THE SPIRIT LAKE TRIBE held.
To compare this to the position of "a group of students" and anything they did is simply asinine and frankly the kind of cheep bush league thinking that got us all onto this mess in the first place.
Tactic 2: Always throw in a claim that we "don't care about the university". There are several derivations of this one, from we only care about the hocky team to we don't care about the student athletes.
Through time it has gone from accusations of not caring when people believed in keeping the Sioux name to making the same condescending and deragatory charges toward those who want the nickname to be North Dakota. Always throwing in the don't care about some innocent entity. Always have to have the victim right? After all it is the American way now a days isn't it? Well, except when it goes against the agenda anyway. Just ask the majority of Sioux people about this one once. Seems an interesting lack of caring by anyone there??
Tactic 3: Saying that we won't " let it go". Previously anyone who was a supporter of keeping the Sioux name and fighting back against the NCAA's arbitrary and capricious meddaling beyond the reasonable bounds of their authority was defined as someone who won't let it go.
Now days anyone who supports the North Dakota nickname gets charged with an altetier motive of wanting to keep the Sioux name unofficially. Awww shucks!!, ya got me. Guilty.
To think I'm going to continue to refer to the team of my school, my team, by the name that I want, the name we are, the name we all love by the name which has fulfilled its purpose like non other in the history of teams and the names used to identify them. Keep working these tactics my friends (all eleven of ya). It ain't gonna happen.
Sioux forever!
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How do you figure, the schools granted the Executive Committee (or whatever it is called now) unilateral authority to make decisions. No more full membership votes needed. And how did that lawsuit that the Spirit Lake Sioux turn out?
The point is not Spirit Lake's legal standing or lack there of. The point is that simply by the virtue of the Spirit Lake tribe's filing of the lawsuit the idiocy of the NCAA in forcing UND to drop the name is demonstrated. It is the epitome of the lunacy of political correctness run amuck- basically being sued by the very group you are professing to protect or represent in some sick way. The only reason the NCAA is not mocked for this is that this fact got pretty much got zero press. I would guess that was because the NCAA had finished with all of its acting in the matter by the time Spirit Lake filed the suit so there was no news on the topic happening then? It's shocking to me how few people actually know anything about the position of the Sioux people on this matter...
Here is the rub and the most important consideration: IF the NCAA were to "attempt to" initiate some additive action against UND due to our choosing to be called only North Dakota, then there would surely be another round of legal sqabbling which would put the whole matter back into the media. This time the NCAA would have a tough battle which they would stand to be at risk of loosing. While at the same time, one could hope that the media would be ethical and appropriate and at least mention a couple of compelling facts; One, the fact that the Sioux people filed a lawsuit in an attempt to force the school to keep the name and two, the fact that the Sioux people also created a campaign called the Sioux were silenced in an attempt to get some public understanding of their position.
I can personally think of nothing more news worthy in this entire decade long fiasco than the fact that the Spirit Lake Sioux sued the NCAA over this. I think we should embrace this potential fight. It would be one we finally have a shot at, a very good shot at, both in the court of public opinion and in equal measure legally.
So from the perspective of someone that has the opinion that the NCAA has acted beyond reproach in an arbitrary and capricious manner toward the name which I have taken as part of my identity over the course of the last 25 years of my life, I am very much desiring this chapter in the fight. And it is very apparent that the majority of interested parties and invested people share this opinion that we should chose North Dakota as our nickname. Conversely there are those who seek to marginalize those of us who share this position through condescension and derogatory characterizations as if our passion and love for what we are called is something to be ashamed of. And the most vexing truth is the apparent answer to the question; Which of these positions is in the heart of our leader, our president? That is what brings out the ire in so many who are charged with behaving in the manner of a "cry baby".
There have surely been many fits thrown for a score but the least of which have been from those who love the Sioux name.
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I think the rub is in here. Sure, there is an agreement, until the NCAA decides they want to change their rules. IMO they can do that at will, and have signaled that they will depending on the outcome of the nickname process. I think that's where you and I differ. You believe they are bound by that agreement and I believe they'll change their rules to suit the situation. I'd love it if you are right. I just think the NCAA will have a quick hook.
It's becomes a little harder to have "a quick" hook post settlement than what it was for the NCAA before then. Also, I don't think the NCAA wants to stir things up to much now days after the Spirit Lake Sioux people filed a lawsuit against them to try to keep the Sioux name as the official nickname. (It still is our nickname. Always will be ;-))
They have zero moral standing left to justify raping our name and I'm guessing they know it..,
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So this guy represents the Sioux people...where was this guy when Standing Rock voted to get rid of the Sioux name?
When did Standing Rock vote to get rid of the Sioux name?
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Holly frozen water Batman! #$&;, its a game day thread!! I haven't even booked my plane ticket to Tampa yet!!
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Buy your tickets for the 2017 Frozen Four in Chicago
A frozen four four-peat in the land of Michael Jordan and Jonny T. I love the Windy City. Chi town champs!! I can dig that. We need to start the champaign now to keep all of our next year Seniors. :-)
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Maybe we could get some, "OHHH Baby What A Play!!" back on the telecast?
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Wild guess here...some entity is already using Sundogs and Roughriders (or something extremely similar) in the same industry.
Yes that would be a scenario that would make sense but I'm thinking what are the odds that in North Dakota, population 12, there are real estate companies with the names sundog and Roughrider? I'm thinking maybe RoughRider but Sundog? I don't know, maybe??
I'm sure without to much effort this can be looked up.
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He tried but was denied for Sundogs as well.
Not sure what people are concerned about this for, it will have literally no impact on what UND does. The guy is going through a lot of paperwork for no reason. He's not even coming close to accomplishing what he thinks he is.
Somethings not making sense here.? On one hand the University is saying that having the names registered is irrelevant with respect to their ability to use it as a nickname while on the other hand this gentleman was not able to even register two of them? In other words if one entity registering a name does not impede another from using it then why wouldn't one be able to register a name which was similar to another?
If the answer is that one entity can use a trade nand of another IF the other is using it "in a different industry" then why would the Secretary of State disallow Haakenson from registering the Sundogs and roughriders?
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So there should be a quota for how many times one person can post on a topic? If people like yababy, Fetch, etc. can rant and rave about how bad having a different nickname is, then I should be able to rebut those arguments. Is that clear?
No you can't rebut those arguments as your rebuttals have been deemed hostile and abusive to those of us who understand, love and respect the Sioux name. Well of course you do have the freedom of speech even if it is hostile and abusive. You just can't say those things on this site as Jim Dahl has declared your position hostile and abusive- give the name of his site being Siouxsports and all. Well I think he is going to let you chose to do so if you wish but you will not be allowed to host any threads until you stop.
Seriously though FS4L, you have to live in this world enough to know that you and a half dozen other players are PERPETUALLY posting rebuttals to every single post out there that challenges the current stead fast campaign to not only eliminate the name but also make sure we have another that is not North Dakota.
Just a few posters are left on this site who will post any kind of consistent challenge to the current regimes actions. Fetch, Chewey, I and a couple of others INTERMITTENTLY post for a bit on something where your "team" is on it day and night like it's a job. Just look at your post numbers. Frankly you all have posted so much anti Sioux name speak so much so that I think you have chassed away probably a couple thousand passionate Sioux fans from coming to this site. (I don't know that but it has appeared to be the case over the last 3-4 years). I have been coming to this site since the beginging in 94 so I am not going anywhere though.-), especially now that Jim has now declared you and your buddies hostile and abusive... Well, hold on, maybe I will have to take a little time off since my good buddy Fetch just called me a girl!! Yikes!!
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The wheels were in motion before Kelley got here. He was hired to close out the job. Too bad it took him this long to do what he was hired to do.
Yes they were definitely solidly in motion but give the guy credit it was no small task. I mean let's be honest, it wasn't just your run of the mill nickname at some run of the mill college. It was one of the more deeply invested fan bases(speaking of hockey) in the country with one of the more loved nicknames you could find. Again no small task. A job well done. For sure he didn't create the farce but he was an excellent leader of it.
Kelly can put that on his resume and it could put him in the running for president of a couple of dozen countries I could think of. When is Castro retiring?
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I wish the next UND president has this knowledge
Also the next President of the USA
With regard to Kelly, It's not about having the knowledge, he just doesn't see the world that way. He is a communist. He believes he and those who see things in the way he does have a moral imperative to disregard the will of the people(unless the people's will is in concert with his agenda then he would use it to advance his own) and make decisions for the betterment of the society he lords over.
It is very obvious what his plan has been since his arrival. He has done nothing other than that which has moved UND toward eradicating the Sioux name. This has been his clear mandate all along and it was never the mandate "of the people". (Oh except that 2012 vote right '82?)
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Fighting Hawks 100% illogical & 0% unique
in UND Nickname
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