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How did you conjecture all that from his one post? The post of his you are referencing is factual in all 3 points he makes. There was nothing mentioned of inequality, logo, or revenue distribution. If you are going to present an argument at least keep in on the rails as to what was presented.

What time do you guys, along with Noise, typically meet at the Cenex in Hillsboro each morning to put your group think thoughts together???

Not disagreeing but that argument is apples to oranges.

I think his point is how the "gift" has benefited the community as a whole since it opened. Think of the dollars spent on hotels, restaurants, shopping, ect....within the community any time the Ralph hosts an event. To look at this "gift" as a one time entity is ignorant and very myopic.

BJ cares. If one reads the tea leaves in his comments over the past couple years his teams would have 4-5 more wins at home if the floor looked like that!

This. No baseline logos.

Go Knights

That would be busy for me and would cause 1983 too have full blown vertigo spell!

Nice work. Not a completely awful look with the logo at center court but I'd probably still prefer the giant turd!

Can you UND swap out the EFF as it's primary donator for................................................................Doug Burgum??? sinble quwstuon?

Correct. My point is that IF he finds that he can't work with her on this issue moving forward to get some resolution..................

He is supposed to have UND's best interests in mind............IMO that would include trying get this fiasco resolved. If he basically says "I can't work with her anymore" then UND will need to start selling lots of Hawk hats and that's ok as well.

First of all she isn't my "hero". You are starting to act like Darell. Second as it has been mentioned many times in this thread...........she holds the pen. I would hope Kennedy would try to work with her but if she is completely unreasonable in all discussions moving forward well then .....................................

It was gfhockey.........so there!!! Sorry 81

I have no problem with that scenario either. Paging President Kennedy...................................................

So for UND to become more successful in all avenues and (basically) become more financially stable they should kick McGarry and the Foundation to the curb ASAP. Then what would also help would be to scrub all physical reminders and artifacts of the Fighting Sioux history from UND, aka the Confederate history cleansing in this country, because that would make all our athletic teams more successful because they wouldn't be under the bondage of the lingering Fighting Sioux backdrop.......this would then increase attendance thus improving ticket revenue, concessions revenue and apparel revenue and UND's coffers will then be overflowing! Problems solved.

But yet she gave how much to UND from 2003 through today's date? Strong candidate? Depends on how her and Kennedy resolve this.

There's lots of potential truth in the first post. Ralph passed away in 2002........how many dollars has the Foundation given UND since he died?? "Going to do this anyway"? Would have thought if that was her mindset it would have happened sometime shortly after her father was gone.

This was a complete knee jerk reaction to expunge everything and all things related to the Sioux controversy within that period of time.

Can we put it before 3 committees and have a couple public votes on this????

I totally get the "retirement" of the Fighting Sioux name and logo. The "retirement" of the interlocking ND was just plain stupid IMO.

With what options UND has to work with as far as the logo and nickname this set up looks great IMO. Interlocking ND at center court would be the only possible upgrade.

Center court/center ice options in this order: 1) Interlocking ND 2) North Dakota (like Petey displayed) 3) Fighting Hawks 4) Logo

Pretty sure that's not how the conversation started on this topic.........nonetheless both instances in your post are pure fiction and unsubstantiated.

The interlocking ND IMO needs to still have a prominent role at UND. I know the Norte Dame argument but that's one school vs. the countless schools that have a hawks logo.