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The Capital Times - scroll down for UW's policy regarding the scheduling of teams with American Indian names, logos and mascots
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That's similar to the University of Iowa's policy. They cancelled a baseball game with Bradley (Braves) last spring, but of course have no trouble playing Illinois. So bascially, "we're against exploiting Native American culture, unless of course there's a bunch of money involved". The quotes are mine.
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Once again with this whole thing is that still NDSU wants to be just like UND. My guess is that most of the people involved with City Scapes is an NDSU booster.
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One of the very articles about Cityscapes mentioned the gentlemen involved. If my feeble mind serves me correctly, I believe the president (or CEO or whatever) is a UND alum, while the second-in-command is an NDSU alum.
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Did she sign a National Letter of Intent. Remember USD's 2004 football recruiting class; I think they "signed" 36 kids. Alot of those were walk-on's who apparently signed institutional letters of intent. Maybe UND has something similar?
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I believe Lindahl (Cando), Dobmeier (Fargo South) and Adam Jacobson (Shanley) all came out of high school the same year, and it appeared all would have outstanding college careers. Unfortunately, none of them has really performed up to expectations IMO. Lindahl has clearly been the best of the three, and does have an all-conference selection to his credit, but he's still got to be considered an under-achiever thus far considering his 6'10" height and shooting ability. At least he has another year to go (as does Jacobson) due to having taken a red-shirt year, but Lindahl's defense and Jacobson's offense have a long way to go to be considered anything other than at least somewhat disappointing. I'm not sure whether Dobmeier's problems were injury-related, weight-related, or something else altogether, but he certainly hasn't been the explosive athlete and scorer in college that he was at Fargo South.
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I never really expected much of Dobmeier. He's only about 6'0 and not very quick. I alway figured he'd be like a Scott Mzrjkak (sp), who will hit an occasional 3 now and then. I think Jacobsen has been the biggest disappointment. For a guy who started a handful of games for UNI as a redshirt freshman I figured he'd be an all-conference caliber player for the Sioux by his junior year.
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im pretty sure he lost the ND mr. bball
clarification anyone?
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You're correct, Adam Dobmeier won Mr. Basketball that year.
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Essentially, my question is in a situation where a school isn't Title IX compliant and must add a women's sport, does local interest or demand necessarily play any role in the university's decision as to which sport to add? If a group of NDSU female students who were competitive swimmers, tennis players or gymnasts filed a complaint over the the addition of equestrian instead of one of their sports--which clearly are more popular locally in terms of participation and history-- would they have a leg to stand on?
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I'm definitely no lawyer, but I just can't see where the students would have a leg to stand on. Even though the original intent of Title IX has been bastardized by liberal activist judges (end of political rant), it would be a huge stretch to interpret it as giving precedence to local interests.
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I stand corrected to an extent, as I was unaware that the NCAA recognized the existence of so-called "emerging sports," although I can only imagine the problems UND would have if it were to attempt to drop very expensive women's hockey in favor of cheaper alternatives like bowling, badminton and archery. I still think that it's questionable ethically, although apparently not legally, for a school to forego adding sports which have a longstanding tradition of participation in that particular geographical area at the youth and high school level, i.e. gymnastics, swimming (which I would classify as a relatively inexpensive high-participation sport) and tennis, in favor of a sport like equestrian in which you'd be hard-pressed to find anybody in the state who has competed in an actual competition. There are obviously all kinds of people in ND and MN who have ridden horses extensively, but that's far different from the actual sport of equestrian.
One the one hand, I suppose you can't fault schools for taking advantage of an NCAA-approved loophole making it easier and cheaper to comply with Title IX. But I assume you also see the potential for abuse if schools are allowed to drop (or not add) sports deemed too expensive, even if popular in a particular region, in favor of cheap, high participation sports like several of the "emerging sports" apparently are.
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I think I can kind of see your point, but I think you're opening up a can of worms if you approach the subject in that manner. According to the NCAA website there's about 10,000 people nationwide that compete at equestrian at the high school level, while there's only a handful of schools that sponsor the "sport". So I think providing opportunities for girls to compete is the important thing, regardless of sport. If feminists are going to go after equestrian, they'll also have to go after all the universities that recently started offerring women's crew.
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Since equestrian isn't sponsored by the NCAA, does it even have a scholarship limit? I understand the concept of adding a "sport" like this in an attempt to address the Title IX issue, but my problem with it is that it's a blatant attempt to follow the letter of the law but clearly not its spirit. There are sports NDSU doesn't currently have for women that are sponsored by the NCAA, and for which there probably is at least somewhat of a local demand, particularly when compared to the probable complete lack of demand for equestrian. Examples would be tennis, swimming and gymnastics, sports which are offered at the high school level in ND and MN. Hockey may not be practical due to the lack of facilities, but that presumably wouldn't be the case with tennis, swimming (at least I assume NDSU has a pool) and gymnastics.
I suspect it will only be a matter of time before people like Martha Burke and Chris Voelz make it a crusade to challenge schools' attempting to be Title IX compliant by adding sports not recognized/sanctioned by the NCAA and for which there is little or no demand by former or current students at that particular school.
BTW, I checked out Ohio St.'s athletic site and I didn't see any mention of equestrian. Are you sure they offer it as a sport? Perhaps it's just a phy-ed class.
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Equestrian is recognized by the NCAA as an emerging sport, and they state...
"An emerging sport is a sport recognized by the NCAA that is intended to provide additional athletics opportunities to female student-athletes.
Institutions are allowed to use emerging sports to help meet the NCAA minimum sports-sponsorship requirements and also to meet the NCAA's minimum financial aid awards."
...so I don't think there would ever be a push for some kind of Title IX lawsuit. Equestrian is cheap with a high number of participants, which I don't think the other sports you mentioned can claim.
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I think Manhattan might be a 2-for-1, as well. I know Miles said that some of the schools woudn't go for just a home/home.
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That's impossible, I've never been wrong on an internet message board before.
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Which dI teams are definitely playing at NDSU next year?
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That's a good question. Supposedly we only played DI teams this year that promised a return trip, minus K-State which was a 2-for-1 deal, and of course the UW-GB tournament. So if that's the case that would mean Manhattan, Denver, UMKC, Eastern Michigan, and Oakland. I would expect to see more however. I honestly can't say if those teams will bring the fans out in droves but I do think initially there will be a lot curiosity in seeing DI teams in Fargo and I think alot of bball fans are interested in seeing our redshirt freshmen play. So in my fantasy world there will be good attendance early, the Bison men will win/be competitive thus maintaining interest and therefore fan attendance. Time will tell.
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Moeller's situation may be true. Justin Monson was denied a sixth year of eligibility for next year, although he would have been eligible under DII rules. As for NDSU's attendance, it's not great but probably around where I though it would be. Next year I'd like to see an average of ~3000, but that's probably being unrealistic.
Edit: Corella, have you heard anything about Lott from NDSCS. Supposedly, he's getting interest from some high majors, but of course you have to take that with a grain of salt. Does NDSU have a snowball's chance in hell of landing him?
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I don't think I'd even rank Playmakers as the best sports bar in Fargo, that honor goes to Tailgators. Tailgators has the NHL Center Ice package, Playmakers doesn't. 'Nuff said.
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Probably not this year.
Seriously though, I dont' think Playmakers is that great, but I've never been there on a gameday. I was at Joe Senser's a long time ago when there was a Nebraska game on, and the atmosphere was awesome. It's probably hard to compare different sports bars if you're not there during main events.
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I grew up about 2 hours away from Bismarck but never spent a lot of time there. It seems everybody who has ever lived there absolutely loved it. Why? I'm pretty interested because I have a decent shot of landing a job when I'm done with graduate school. By the way, I grew up a 1/2 hour away from Minot and don't think I would ever consider moving back there. IMO, the worst "city" in ND.
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The next question is:
How would Fargo/NDSU/North Dakota be affected by the Air National Guard Base in Fargo being closed?
There are only three tanker/refueler bases left in the USAF. One is Grand Forks. (In the last BRAC they went from near double-digits to three.)
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I would think Fargo would be able to aborb the loss of the Air National Guard unit better than Grand Forks would if the GFAB were to close. I don't have any numbers, but just based on the relative sizes of the two communities and the effect those respective units have on each communitie's economy.
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You can't make this stuff up. Let's see, would I rather have 2 redshirt FR boys who each weigh 210 soaking wet and last saw competition in ND Class A and Minnesota Class A ball, or a 6-8 235 pound man who has started 75% of his games as a collegian in a league that plays very good basketball. There is no question in my mind I'd take the latter. To take it even further, those 2 redshirt FR big guys will likely be taking the floor with 2-3 other FR.
Before Koenig is labeled a D1 flop, consider that he plays on a team and in an offense that is high tempo and orientated completely for guard and wing play. He rarely has anything run for him despite the fact that he shot at least 55% last year and the last time I checked he was doing the same this year. You can be rest assured that both UND and NDSU would take him in a heartbeat and plug him into the lineup next year. To suggest otherwise is moronic.
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I only saw him play once last year (against Iowa) and it looked he was playing on the wing a lot. I don't know how he would play as a 4, but he seems to have the perfect body. How is UW-GB utilizing him this year?
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Clearly it's being discussed by the NCAA and at the DI level:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/foo...ternative_x.htm
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It seems to me there are two different discussions going on. One is the removal of the current I-A and I-AA designations. This would result in a Bowl Championship Series and Playoff Championship Series. The BCS would of course consist of the current BCS conferences and maybe a few other teams. The PCS would consist of most of the current I-AA teams and a handful of teams that currently play I-A. I don't think this would affect DII at all.
The second discussion centers on allowing DII teams to play football at the I-AA level. From my understanding, those would be the only divisions involved in the restructuring. I think the first proposal has a better chance of passing than the second.
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Are you two coming to a consensus?
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Maybe a bit off topic, but this is what amuses me the most about the whole Division I thing:
Last week, Central Arkansas (from the Gulf South Conference) announced that it was moving to Division I. The story came out in the papers down there a day or two after the December 1 deadline. There wasn't much fanfare and no indication that anyone outside of the administration had any idea what was going on. Central Arkansas had only been in Division II for about 10 years!
Anytime a school up here contemplates making a move, we hire consultants to do studies, conduct surveys, do more studies, conduct more surveys and on and on. Not to mention the 24/7 press coverage and "investigative reports" on the issue.
I'm not saying the way UCA is doing things is the right way. I'm sure everyone would agree that the more discussion that goes on and having more information available is much better than leaving everyone in the dark. It's just funny that two different areas of the country can take such complete opposite approaches to the same issue.
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I think that can be attributed at least in part to the fact that UND and NDSU athletics are big time here. I would guess most people in Arkansas could care less about Central Arkansas. I for one think it's great that UND/NDSU get the coverage they do for not being high-profile DI programs.
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I personally think Southern Utah would be the odd man out. I also think SDSU is more attractive than UNC, as I don't think the Bears will make the commitment to football (this is just my opinion). I think the Big Sky would have taken SUU already if they had a legitimate chance. Here's how I see the future Big Sky (if in fact UND does go DI).
NDSU-UND
SDSU-UNC
Montana-Montana St.
Eastern Washington-Idaho State
Weber State-Northern Arizona
Sac. St.-Portland St.
The only problem with this scenario is that there are 4 provisional schools in one of the divisions. Also, with UND being two years behind the SU's and three behind UNC this would have a negative effect on the Montana schools RPI (I'm thinking basketball) moreso than the Eastern schools since the Bobcats and Grizzlies would play these 4 schools twice.
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Well, $100 MM here, $100 MM there, pretty soon you're talkin' real money.
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IowaBison: I won't disagree with that.
goo: Remember, this is government/collegiate/administration/red-tape land. Of course it takes six months to hire an admin assistant!
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I applied for a USDA job at the end of August and they said it would be about 6 months before I was even contacted for an interview. Of course that does give me time to finish this stupid dissertation.
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You have to admit, that was pretty vague.
Was that the $1 MM for the football locker rooms or was it a different $1 MM? If it was an additional (beyond the locker room donation), if it's used to cover immediate debt doesn't that harm the capital campaign for the BSA?
I'm asking because NDSU recently halted attempt to build a beef processing facility partly because:
Fundraising there didn't go as well as it could have.
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Yes, it was quite vague. As far as hurting the fundraising for the BSA, of course it would be approximately 1MM less for the BSA if those funds were use to cover existing athletic department debt.
The main point I was trying to make is that it's silly to talk about a 1MM deficit that was reported about 6 months ago. Erv's been out fundraising and that could be gone by now.And I think comparing fundraising for an athletic facility and a beef processing plant is comparing apples and oranges. How much did Ralph give to academic facilities? I'm guessing it wasn't anywhere near 100MM.
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I don't recall it and you'd think something like that would have made a big splash in the media. Have a link?
EDIT: You mean the $1 MM someone donated for football locker rooms?
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No, I wasn't talking about the locker rooms. I'll try to find but I think it was 6-8 weeks ago. I'll see what I can do.
Ask and ye shall receive.
From the story the money was seemingly donated toward the expected BSA renovation, but it may have went to offsetting any estimated budget deficits.1MM donationThe part about the donation is at the very bottom of the article
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