dlsiouxfan
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NDSU has proven they don't need to play UND - The same can't be said for UND yet. With only 4 home games last year and only 3 scheduled this year it looks like your having a lot harder time of it. By the way where is all that political clout that some of the previous posters were talking about? Talked with a friend in the legislature and he said that everyone he talked to in the legislature that wasn't a NDSU or UND fan told him that they were proud of the way NDSU has handled the transition and especially beating MN in football. They weren't about to interfere with the scheduling. They would like to see the game but understood the complexity of the issue and why now it would cost NDSU money to start a home and home. They're hoping that UND can get into the MVC.
You do know it's better than a coin flip chance that NDSU will only have four home games next year. Despite what Gene Taylor says you haven't scheduled a fifth home game yet. Word out of Fargo is that IF NDSU fills this spot it will most likely be scheduling-- GASP!!!-- a D-II or NAIA team. Then we'll have two of Gene Taylor's grand reasons for not renewing the rivalry debunked and then he'll have to come up with an entirely new set of lame excuses to not play UND. While I'm a firm believer that the series will not be renewed for at least another 6-8 years I have no doubt that this issue will continue to plague Taylor and Chapman.
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Yeah, it lost this time but this won't be the last time the state takes this matter up. The two schools probably won't play for a long time without intervention of the legislature. Here is my prediction. In 2012, Gene Taylor will introduce some entirely unacceptable proposal for play between the two schools in football. Such as UND traveling to Fargo every year or every few years. There will not be an offer of a return game or a return to the alternating series. At this point, Faison and Kelly need to stand firm and tell Gene there will no game until the alternating series is re-started. The cold war in the media and here on the internet will continue and probably worsen for another 4-5 years before either the legislature takes it up again or more rational leadership takes over at NDSU. We will most likely not see another Sioux-Bison game for another 8-10 years and the only people it will really hurt are the state and the fans of the two universities. The Sioux football program would neither be helped or hurt for lack of playing the Bison. Both programs will probably thrive and there will be alot of meaningful games played against other FCS universities. However, no matter how exciting these matchup will be, none will match the intensity or interest generated by renewing the series. Any argument that it will is foolish, unless your the type of fan who thinks the Michigan- Appalachian state game is equally as intense a rivalry as the Ohio State- Michigan game simply because the same number of people are there.
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Having a basketball team that loses to SW Minnesota and barely squeeks by the Valley City's of the world is getting old too. I was a basketball fan, when they put a decent product on the court. Chris Gardner, Ben Jacobson, etc, were entertaining. One can argue whether it's talent or coaching, but the current product stinks.
I would still pay money to watch a UND women's game as long as I didn't have to stay and watch the men.
The decision was made before the season to redshirt the entire freshman class. Which makes up probably 7 of our 9 most talented players and includes almost all of our size. I feel this was an extremely good decision for the program since this season is essentially meaningless. I'll trade losses now for wins later on when we're playoff eligible. You obviously feel this was a poor decision given your incessant sarcastic remarks disparaging the program. Tell me what would you have done differently? Would you have chosen not to redshirt the incoming freshman? If you disagree with Jones' decision to redshirt the incoming class then by all means criticize him for it. That's what this forum is for. If you want to come on here and make snide jackass comments then please go somewhere else or stick to the hockey board. At least if you keep it over there I won't have to read it.
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Honestly, if you feel like ripping every team on campus other than the hockey team can you at least stay in the hockey forum. Your act's getting tiresome.
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Posts over at AnyGivenSaturday and at UCAFANS.COM indicate that we will be playing at Central Arkansas on November 28.
That would seem unlikely since that is the day of the opening round of the playoffs, but UCA is in its last year of transition and also ineligible for the playoffs. Perhaps they worked something out for that late of date. I don't know if even the NCAA will allow that though.
From quickly glancing at the posts, it sounds like their coach mentioned at their signing day press conference.
It's not unheard of. In 2007 University of San Diego played UC Davis on the first week of the playoffs. San Diego actually had a pretty legitimate shot at the playoffs as I think they were undefeated going into that game but were snubbed by the committee since they play in the non-scholarship Pioneer league. The game had a contingency where they could cancelled it had San Diego qualified for the tournament. Turned out to be moot point as I believe UC Davis handled San Diego fairly easily.
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For NDSU fans, using the S word is Fargo is a no-no. Just ask any UND fan who thinks that the nickname is NDSU's problem. I don't believe, however, that NDSU fans went through the proper channels at SS to get any formal endorsement for the "firetrucks" thing. Strictly an informal reference in lue of the S word.
I think we Sioux fans should outdo our slower, less witty friends to the South and come up with our own nickname for them. I suggest the "Unicorns" because much like a unicorn a great deal of the hype surrounding NDSU's athletic programs (especially on their football team) is entirely imaginary.
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BTW, have you alerted the Bisonville network that's there's an objectionable post on Siouxsports that needs to be mocked.
Don't let it get it to you. It's a typical response for an NDSU grad. They generally struggle when having their ideas and opinions challenged due their extreme lack of critical thinking ability. It's much easier for them to discuss such things with people of their own low IQ's (other NDSU grads).
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Here's a reason to speed up the nickname issue.
Honestly, I support the nickname but it's time has come. It's not worth being the Fighting Sioux anymore. It's hurting our athletes and athletic teams. Any fan that we lose for simply changing our nickname isn't a UND fan at all.
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But you're confusing a limited policy directive with a global one. The SBoHE decision in the lawsuit applies to UND, and UND only. It doesn't apply to the university system as a whole. The settlement and its timeline is between UND and the NCAA; none of the other universities are third parties to it. Again, the overall policy of the SBoHE is that the local decision-makers(ADs & presidents) are in charge unless specifically overruled. The Board has never expanded the particulars of the settlement beyond UND, so the Summit's laws and directives are paramount.
When the SBOHE's initially came out with it's policy establishing the timeline for resolution of the Sioux nickname issue could Taylor have come out against it and set forth his own timeline accelerating the SBOHE's timeline in order for scheduling between the two universities to resume? He'd have been writing his own pink slip. Does the fact that the Summit League is now essentially doing exactly that give Taylor sufficient cover to suddenly adopt this policy? Let's not forget that the Summit League's policy regarding scheduling UND is a loose directive while the SBOHE's timeline was hard and fast policy until recent events. If there is a dispute between the SBOHE and the Summit League (which this essentially is) then Taylor doesn't get to pick and choose sides in the dispute.
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Let me see now . . . NDSU administrators as employees of the state have an obligation to schedule UND? But UND administrators had no such obligation? Is that what you are trying to tell me? And what stance are you referring to? NDSU doesn't have a stance. The only stance by anyone was made in a 2003 press conference up north.
You are off your rocker man! I've ready some crazy stuff, but that takes it. NDSU has said that will resume competition when the time is right, there is no stance or obligation.
Did you even read my next post? You're right NDSU doesn't have an obligation to schedule UND. But Taylor can't say it's because of the Sioux nickname. That goes against the SBOHE's policy regarding the nickname. He could have picked a million other reasons including retribution for UND not scheduling NDSU during the transition and it probably would have been better than what he said yesterday.
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But there's no current SBoHE policy on the nickname that applies to anyone except UND. All directives from the SBoHE have only applied to UND, the Sioux tribes, and the NCAA, and the last only in regards to the lawsuit. NDSU(or any other ND college or university) has no part in those directives. In fact, conference directives DO trump everything else unless SPECIFICALLY addressed by the SBoHE. Since Douple's scheduling suggestion was not known until yesterday, and there have been no new statements from the SBoHE, there's no way there could be any conflict yet. And since it's the stated policy of the Board to stay out of these matters, I doubt that will change. If you have some proof that I'm wrong, please post it, but I've got about a half dozen quotes saying or suggesting the Board won't get into the middle of this.
The SBOHE's policy regarding this is that the Sioux nickname issue will be resolved according to the timeline they set forth. The Summit League has a policy the UND must resolve this sooner or be penalized through scheduling with it's members. Taylor as an employee of the SBOHE can't adobt the Summit League policy that UND has to resolve this sooner without being in conflict with the SBOHE's policy.
In simpler terms, if UND and NDSU were branches of the same company (which they essentially are within the SBOHE structure) and they both had seperate dealings with the same third party. If a dispute arose between one of the branches and that third party (in this case UND), would it be appropriate for the management of the other branch to side with the third party? Especially in a manner that reinforces that third party's position. The Summit League is essentially trying to manipulate the SBOHE's timeline regarding the Sioux nickname and Taylor has sided with the Summit League's position. He is in no position to do this and has undercut his employer's ability to effectively manage the Sioux nickname decision according to their timeline.
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Since when does it require any political capital for UND or NDSU to control their scheduling decisions?
There will be repercussions for standing in the way of the rivalry. They played out here at UND as Kupchella and Roger Thomas are no longer here. The same will be true at NDSU if Taylor and Chapman continue as they are. It doesn't matter how many kudos Chapman may have earned with the Governor, the legislature, or others in the state government if a growing portion of the ND population is upset with his decision making eventually the day will come when he'll have few friends in the state governement who he can turn to.
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What SBoHE policy are some of you talking about? With one exception, the stated policy of the Board is to stay out of athletic decisions involving the state's colleges and universities. The exception, of course, is the nickname matter, but can anyone actually quote a legislator or SBoHE member commenting on a policy that state universities are supposed to play one another or go to bat for them in conference deliberations? Because I've got several quotes saying the opposite.
Taylor's statement yesterday essentially took the Summit league's stance on the issue and said it was superior to the current SBOHE's policy regarding the Sioux nickname. The Summit league can have whatever policy they want regarding scheduling UND but since the SBOHE is Taylor's employer, NDSU is bound by the SBOHE's policy regarding the nickname. If Taylor wants to use the nickname as an excuse for not scheduling UND then he is being insubordinate and should be disciplined. If he had given another reason for not scheduling UND, he probably would have been fine at least in the short term. Despite what Taylor or Chapman may believe neither one of them has enough political capital to continue their stance against resuming the rivalry.
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Please give me one good reason why Taylor should be obligated to schedule UND. The fact that he says any more than "no comment" is proof that his is a standup guy and isn't trying to avoid the issues. The guideline by the Summit has zero to do with Taylor, that is a baseless, crazy conspiracy theory. That guideline has zero to do with NDSU.
He has no more obligation to schedule UND in 2009 than your administration did to schedule NDSU in 2003, regardless of the nickname issue. Where was the outcry in 2003 while your administration sat back and laughed.
Write your legislators, bad mouth Taylor on message boards, dial 911 . . . whatever works for you.
Taylor is not obligated to schedule UND, but it's part of his job as an employee of the state to adhere to NDBOHE policy. Whether he likes it or not the State of ND and the ND taxpayers (which includes a hell of a lot of UND grads) pay his salary. Tom Douple may be a hell of a pal to Gene but he doesn't sign Gene's checks so it really doesn't matter what the hell the Summit League's policy regarding playing UND is since that sure as hell better not be NDSU's. If Taylor and Chapman want to continue to take this stance then they will have to pay with their jobs because they're no longer serving the state of ND anymore.
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I hope it doesn't have to get to this point but unless something against the run of play happens, it may end up here. I think a better option would be to put pressure on GT and Chap through the media to be forthcoming on why NDSU and UND will not be seeing each other for a while. Make them outline all of the reasons for each sport that the 2 schools don't play each other. While FB will continue to have reasons even after UND is a counter, other sports will not. The only reason will be payback for UND's actions 5 years ago. Get them to admit this to the state what most NDSU and UND fans already know. No more hiding behind thin veiled excuses.
This may have worked when there were two independent newspapers in the Valley. With the Forum and Herald having the same ownership and the Forum essentially being a cheerleader for NDSU athletics we have no other choice but to start flexing political muscle within the state. They are overplaying their cards if the want to oppose conference membership for UND, which I believe is the true root cause of all of this. I spoke with a former NDSU athlete about a year ago and he flat out told me that as long as Gene Taylor and Joe Chapman work at NDSU the rivalry will never be renewed. They're the only roadblock right now to renewing the rivalry and possibly to conference affiliation for UND. It's time UND alumni flex their power in the state and have these two taken down a peg
P.S.- I apologize for my earlier harsh comments regarding Taylor, but sometimes it's best to call a spade a spade.
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Hey, I know the administration and coaches have been calling every Division I possible to schedule games. No one in the athletic department wanted to schedule this game but in order to get another home game next year we didn't have a lot of options. Hopefully we'll buy the 2011 game out but in order to get a game for 2009 we had to agree to the 2011 game as well. We'll see some better opponents overall but quite frankly it's going to be tough to get quality Division I opponents in the Alerus Center without a conference. Facts are facts. Either you can support the team through these difficulties until we find a conference or you can throw a temper tantrum and stop supporting the program and the Division I move is sure to fail. It's your choice but I've always been of the opinion you shouldn't cut off your nose to spite your own face.
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Everyone is writing to the wrong people. Write your legislator, write the governor, write a member of the Board of Higher Ed. Chapman's an employee of the state and he's using his power to inflict financial harm on another state instituation. He's abdicating his duty to serve the state. Let's turn up the political pressure and put that clown in his place.
EDITED BY MODERATOR: Let's continue the discussion without personal attacks/name calling of public figures.
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Virg Foss column questioning UND's decision to move to Division I.
[url=http://www.grandforksherald.com/articles/index.cfm?id=99876]Was UND
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Well after Virg Foss' garbage column in today's Herald it's apparent that rag definitely doesn't have any UND homers on it's editorial board. It has to be one of the most idiotic things I've read recently. He misses the long ago rivals of the NCC, yet doesn't seem to realize that most if not all of our true rivals had moved to Division I. It would be nice if the Herald would occasionally write a positive article about the Division I move instead of ripping UND every chance they get. Unfortunately since the Forum's purchase of that newspaper it's become utterly unreadable.
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If he's an NDSU grad, ask him what color crayon they used to write his diploma.
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Gene's a tremendous coach and the biggest joke in the state of ND is that he doesn't make twice as much as NDSU' coach.
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UND's fall in MBB coincided almost directly with when the athletic department started treating them like red-headed stepchildren. If we start funding this sport properly with adequate resources, marketing, etc. the fans would return and the program could be a mid-major power.
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USA Today also badly botched the Smokestack Study of Nations Schools
Actually, some good, sound reporting by the Herald:
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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the air quality studies are correct regarding Grand Forks. The smell from Simplot most days is absolutely rancid and it's not hard to believe that prolonged exposure to that could have negative effects on a person's health.
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I think MBB's struggle is almost directly attributable to Kupchella's idiotic stance regarding the Division I move. Failing to move up when NDSU did made recruiting nearly impossible for most of our sports teams. It's the biggest reason the football team had a down season and is also the reason the WBB team is struggling right now. If we wouldn't have moved it surely would have destroyed the entire athletic department except for hockey. Compound this with the outright theft of resources from our men's and women's basketball program to support women's hockey during Buning's time as AD and it's easy to see why this program is struggling. With that being said, I've heard good things about the redshirt class and I think given time Coach Jones can get the program turned around. Hopefully Faison and Kelly realize the potential of men's basketball for the university. Next to football, it is easily the second most visible sport at the collegiate level and success would give UND national exposure it could only dream about from men's hockey.
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Honestly Bison Dan, how is this any different than when NDSU tells recruits their business program is better than UND's despite the fact that most of their major programs lack necessary accreditations to give the degrees any value outside of ND. How's that honest recruiting? If Craig Bohl is such an honest guy maybe he should tell them how he can't even remember his ex-players first names after they've played for him for 5 years as an ex-player just recently posted on Bisonville. As long as characters like Bohl, Chapman, and Taylor are associated with your university the word truth should never even be said in the same sentence as NDSU.