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And no one thinks like you. Your whole "I'm right and have the right to defend all of the stupid crap I say," is getting very old. At the same time when people point out inconsistencies in your ramblings you take the victim role. Every time I read one of your posts I say "why can't this guy just shut his mouth!" You may be right, not everyone thinks as I do, but if you were to take a pole there are a hell of alot more people around here that would agree with me than would with you. I would guarantee that. Just curious dave, as far as your revenge goes. How far would you go if someone were to strike you? Simply just punch them back? Give them the beatdown you describe? Possibly, would you go so far as to mame, or otherwise permanatly injury them? How about it dave, would you be driven by rage to go completely off the deep and and kill to extract your revenge? Justifiably of course, at least in your mind. Please tell me dave I just have to know.

I find it funny that you don't condone the act of striking another human being, yet revenge for said act is perfectly ok with you. Do you even think before you start typing? I'm so tired of reading davek's spewing's.

I really have to wonder how long the powers that be are going to let davey boy keep stirring the old pot around here. Just a thought.

Yeah, and Jack MF Johnson took exception to that hit and went after Osh. He also collided with Greene and got the best of him too. Classic TJ for sure.

Any updates on this one?

Yes but according dave, murders with knives don't count because you have to be close to kill someone.

Legal gun owners have no problem with gun laws. Legal gun owners are not the ones committing violent crimes with guns. All of the laws in the world will not stop those who illegally obtain a gun for the purpose of committing a crime. And, I hope for the last time, it is in no way, shape or form the guns fault for the crime being committed, please understand this dave, it is the people who perpetrate the violence that need to be dealt with.

The problem we are having here is that you (dave) are talking about criminals who illegally obtain and use firearms for criminal intent. The rest of us are talking about people who legally and responsibly own guns. To use your own analogy, you can't punish people who don't use drugs just because there are some dummies that do illegally use them. The same goes for firearms, why punish those who use them responsibly for hunting, recreation, and competition. You have given me no reason why guns should be taken out of the hands of law abiding citizens.

No, that's not it dave. There are plenty of resources a person can find to learn about the danger of drug abuse. The same goes for guns. I'm simply saying before you condemn all firearms, please educate yourself. Finding info about firearms has nothing to do with owning, or shooting them. If you look, I'm sure you could find more credible info on firearms than what a comedian satarizes in his act. I was merely suggesting hunter's safety, or a local gun range as a source for info, or local law enforcement. I was not suggesting that you take a hands on course, but merely looking for a more informed opinion before you come on here and make yourself look stupid, again.

You have made it plain as the nose on your face that you have and never will own, handle or otherwise have anything to do with a firearm. That includes hunting, recreation, or self defense. Therefore, your over the top view on the subject means absolutely nothing. Your disdain for guns is clear, however, the discussion here was about who owns a gun, not about the evils of firearms according to dave. So, once again, unless you are going to educate yourself on the subject please stick to something you know well, like youth hockey.

Well then stay out of the discussion if you are not even willing to educate yourself on the matter, cause you really have no clue what you are talking about.

Education on guns is another way of improving responsible gun ownership. The only problem is this only works for those who follow the laws. I suggest dave before you spew all of your anti gun rhetoric you get yourself educated. That way you at least have some credibility. Take a hunters safety class, or check out a gun safety class at the local range. If you really want to make a difference go to the source and find the information, then once you are properly informed about the subject people may be more receptive to your opinions. If not then stay out of a discussion that you have zero experience in.

If you follow what's going on in GF you would know that someone has been lighting fires in the downtown neighboorhoods. It hit home with me this weekend as a friend of mine who lives three blocks away lived in an apartment building where these idiots try to start a fire. Thank goodness it was out out before any severe damage was done or anyone was killed or badly hurt. This violent act had nothing to do with guns but was potentially just as dangerous. So I ask you dave, should we ban all matches, cigarette lighters and anything that is flamable? How about cutting off people's hands and feet so they cannot beat someone to death, as was the case outside the Broken Drum last fall. You just don't get it dave, it is THE PERSON, not the object. Taking guns away only makes people find different ways. It comes down to THE PERSON committing the crime plain and simple.

It really doesn't matter dave, you're trying to split hairs. The bottom line is murder is murder, be it with a gun, knife, bare hands, whatever. It is THE PERSON committing the act, not the instrument used to commit said act. It doesn't matter if you are in a car, or on foot, or at what distance the crime is committed at, the bottom line is that A PERSON makes a conscious decision to end another's life. That's where the problem lies.

Ted is a law-abiding, legal gun owning citizen of the United States, if he was a threat as you describe he wouldn't be allowed to carry a gun. There are laws dave, and people, including Ted Nugent are obliged to follow them.

I don't have facts to back it up, but common sense would tell me that most victims of gun crimes aren't getting sniped at a thousand yards or more. These are crimes committed during carjackings, muggings, and home intrusions we are talking about. They are committed at a distance of a few feet.

The bottom line is this dave, murder is murder, it doesn't matter what they kill you with. If a person is intent on killing another and does not have a gun, there are other means, and they will use them, ie., a knife, a bat, ect. It's not the tool that is used but rather the person using that particular tool. Somehow you just don't seem to understand that.

That's fine, but you didn't mention the others. You chose to single out Ted, simply because you don't agree with him.

Then the same goes for the likes of Bono, Ediie Vetter, and a host of other celebs that use their platforms for their causes. I'm sure it's ok though when they spew their crap on stage because they are only doing what's best for the world right dave?

All of those people are "less" dead, because they weren't killed with a gun, right?

Big suprise there. Quite frankly Dave I'm relieved that you don't own a firearm. Especially with all the uncontrolable rage issues you have (I think you know what I'm refering to.) I'm sure the folks down at your local post office/hockey arena are equally relieved.

Then by your logic the entire constitution is antiquated, which includes all of the following: the right to free speech, the right to peaceably assembly, freedom of religion, ect., ect. It's just convenient for you to single out LEGAL, RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERSHIP.

I understand the sensitivity of this issue, but for myself it just comes down to a matter of personal choice. Some choose to put their faith in law enforcement to protect them, their loved ones, and their property. Faced with a life and death type crisis, by the time law enforcement can react, the most they can do for you is to call someone to stuff you in a body bag and haul you off to the coroner. Gog bless all othe people of law enforcement for the job they do, but I chose to protect myself, my family, and my property, and not become another defenseless victim. Not everyone sees it that way, and that's fine. Just don't begrudge the people who responsibly own firearms guaranteed by THE 2ND AMMENDMENT OF THE U.S. CONTITUTION.

They were trapped in a stuck elevator for over 2 hrs., now I ask you, what would you have done?

My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family Bob.