You have made it plain as the nose on your face that you have and never will own, handle or otherwise have anything to do with a firearm. That includes hunting, recreation, or self defense. Therefore, your over the top view on the subject means absolutely nothing. Your disdain for guns is clear, however, the discussion here was about who owns a gun, not about the evils of firearms according to dave. So, once again, unless you are going to educate yourself on the subject please stick to something you know well, like youth hockey.