Runninwiththedogs
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I don't see why Forbort should be suspended?
I don't want to betray any confidences, so, going strictly from the article:
"Older team members were carrying in obviously intoxicated freshmen."
"Garfield said, 'a few of the hockey members told me they have it taken care of and I should just go back to doing what I was doing.'"
"Derek Forbort, a junior, and other older members of the team gathered in the hallway to find out what was happening."
Captains are suspended as well as 3 other members of the team who are "older." Who would the "older team members" be if not the guys suspended? So then, why them and not Forbs?
TNT, I don't believe the article implies that Forbs et al showed up later after being summoned. If you know from another source he wasn't there/carrying the guys in, then ok, gotcha.
I didn't think of this til later, but considering the state the guys who weren't taken to the hospital were in, it's kind of scary to think what shape Caggiula was in.
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I am not sure which guy you are referring to, but that might be what gfhockey was asking about with the Medical Amnesty Act. I posted the text of it on page 14.
I meant Forbort. How was he not suspended?
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It sounds like Chyzyk's girlfriend was there to keep an eye on at least Bryn since someone told me that dorm is a men's only dorm so she didn't just happen to be there. Good for her, if true.
How does the guy quoted in the police report avoid a suspension? I don't want to pile on or anything but that is weird to me.
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I think one of the big differences is, when someone you were with (or you, yourself) were puking and passing out drunk- so was everyone else you were around. I have to think that if I had come across myself or some of my friends after an extraordinary drunk evening while I was stone sober, I would've probably been concerned too. Generally we put a bucket by them and tossed a coat or some blankets on them and passed out ourselves.
I stand by some of my earlier comments in that you can't always protect people from themselves, but I think the RA did the right thing. I also think that the message has been sent and received.
If the kids are doing some of the things I've been enlightened about- eye shots, tampons soaked in booze- that needs to be corrected. If they are doing 20 shots- that needs to be corrected. If at the freshmen party they encourage them to shotgun a six pack of beer- well, can't condone it, but that is where I was with the boys will be boys thinking.
TAMPONS SOAKED IN BOOZE?
What??? I don't even think I want to know.I read through the article and obviously we don't know any more than what was reported, and that's fine. But it does state Chyzyk was unresponsive and had puke on his shirt. Granted, it doesn't say when he threw up, but if he had thrown up while unconscious that is extremely dangerous. The RA showed good judgement. Sometimes it's too easy to think, oh, he'll sleep it off, just roll him on his side, etc. I certainly hope that someone was already planning on staying and keeping an eye on the guys, even if they didn't think it was worth calling 911.
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OMG, what is wrong with you? The Flyers were the ones who played "not very classy". The Penguins merely showed them that were not going to be pushed around like a bunch of submissive little pansies. The Penguins gave the Flyers a dose of their own medicine and all of a sudden the haters all painted the Penguins as the aggressors. People get so blinded by their personal bias that they can't see things objectively. Yeah, it's "fashionable" to hate the Penguins... whatever, that just makes it more satisfying for me personally to be a fan of them.
Let's put this in the dictionary next to the definition of irony.
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Alcohol might have been a factor and I thought I would show you that yes there is a goon and no he can't sing one bit.
The best part is how unimpressed Dakota is.
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Well heck if Donna is going I might have to pull my butt out of bed as well.
I'm not going though, I will be getting ready for work. We did just watch your video though.
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Can anyone get Runninwiththedogs out of bed early enough on Friday morning to drive her to the Hoggsbreath?
I will be out of bed! But I have to work at 11:45. I'm only going to one of the games, the Thursday early game. I do need to see you though.
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Will there be a handshake line?
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I agree. Unless a player's behavior: 1) effects the team on the ice, or 2) effects the team off the ice, I really don't care what his religious beliefs are or what he does on his own time.
A friend of mine, who is a UND fan and student, tweeted back to him that he might as well @-reply quite a few of his teammates on his comments about men. It could very well affect the team off the ice. It affected his draft position, which at the time I thought was ridiculous, but I hadn't seen any of this side of him at the time.
Iramurphy, I couldn't quote what you wrote back to me because you didn't quote me and I'm too lazy to fix it. Anyway, feminism is exhausting, but it's necessary, and I don't think this dialogue was a waste of time, nor do I think attempting to open a dialogue with Rocco himself was a waste of time even though it was fruitless. It's sad that the only two major reactions thus far are "He's gay!" (which, BTW, is not an insult per se, but people seem to think it is and use it pejoratively) or "Yeah! Right on!" (for reasons I've already gone through.) I don't agree with people who want to make fun of him just to make fun of him. It makes the message I'm trying to send get lost along the way. Of course I didn't help myself because I gave up and starting making silly comments, but meh.
Hammer, I get what you're saying with the Bible quotations. It's not a very good read from a feminist point of view. I was referring to the overall message, though.
This is certainly an interesting conversation and if anyone does want to chat further we should probably do it via direct message or email, because this thread could end up longer than the "former players" thread.
I just hope, and I think you'll all agree with me, that this is the last of his outbursts in this manner, because if it becomes a regular thing, it will be a huge distraction and will cause a Chilly-style schism in the locker room.
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Who the hell care if this guy is a Christian? He has his beliefs and isn't bothering anyone. He would like people to behave in a different manner. So what? He has Christian beliefs. So what? Why does anyone get their grundies or pantaloons in a bundle as if this young man pissed in your cornflakes? If this kid is wrong and there is no God who does he hurt? If he is right then maybe we should pay attention. Either way he is here to play hockey and if you don't wish to hang with him then don't. If you don't want to read his tweets or whatever the hell they are called, then don't. If you try and screw with this kid you will likely have to deal with Ben Blood and his teammates cuz they will protect him. The morons who commented on the blog included in the intial post are people I hope don't attend UND and I wouldn't want anything to do with. I wouldn't hire people like that and I would not tolerate their belligerent behavior. If I get tired of this guy and his Christian beliefs then I can move on but I can respect his opinion and he seems to have the guts to stand up for his beliefs. I would rather go to war with this kid than those with the foul mouths who need a twelve pack and all their buddies with them before they will stand up for what they think they believe in. He isn't the first UND hockey player with Christian beliefs and standards and he won't be the last. Some of those guys are guys you wouldn't want to meet in an alley. Go Sioux.
Yes, Ben Blood is on his way to my house to hurt me.
Just because someone stands up for his/her beliefs, doesn't mean those beliefs are not harmful to others. His view of women and their role on earth is harmful to women. I see nothing wrong with his love of God and his tweets in praise of Jesus. I'm sorry if you can't see the difference between Christian beliefs and the misogynistic crap he spouted the other night, then I'm afraid we can't have a conversation. I can respect someone who stands true to their love and faith in Jesus Christ. I can neither respect nor defend Rocco's sexism. Christianity and sexism are not synonymous. There are plenty of believers in Christ who would never, ever act like men were superior to and in charge of women.
It doesn't take guts at all to say something on Twitter, then disappear and avoid any sort of dialogue.
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I assume you extend the way you see lust* to the "Gordon Gekko" type folks on Wall Street too. *most people see that word (lust) only in a sexual context, but at it's core it's an overmastering desire or craving for something
Some might consider me part of that whole Wall Street machine, considering what my profession is, but that's a discussion for another day.
Let's try to stay within the scope of the topic and the context in which Rocco used the word. There's enough here without going into a discussion of semantics.
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Would you disagree with what he said if I removed two words ... "God put US in charge of this earth so WE are the ones who need to man up and lay down our lust." Are they taking full responsibility for their actions and outcomes? If only the answer were always "yes".
I still disagree, because he was speaking specifically to men. Also, I see nothing inherently wrong with lust, so I'd still disagree even if he was addressing both genders. Rape, incest, sexual assault, sexual harrassment, pedophilia, all those things I do see a problem with.
God DID put US in charge. Genesis, Chapter 9: God's Covenant With Noah.No one put men in charge of the earth. Evolution created sexual reproduction and two distinct sexes in species that reproduce in that way. Let's stick to facts.
I don't agree with everything Rocco says, but I just ignore his "preaching" and it doesn't offend me. Maybe others should try it. As far as I'm concerned, he's at UND to get an education and to grow as a hockey player. That's what I will judge him by.This is the first time I've seen anything he's said as offensive. It's a pretty sharp turn from the tone of his previous tweets, which were silly little things about school and roommates mixed in with motivational quotations and devotional messages. No problem there. I felt it necessary to speak up (directly to him, in fact) about my objection to his chauvinistic world view.
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Misogyny? Hating on girls? (That's the definition.) From the sample you selected sure; but in full disclosure ...
Rocco to the males of the species: "And don't blame the women for how they dress. ... Women are not an object for playing with. We blame the women for what they're wearing, ... WE are the men and WE are to blame."
Seems he's "hating on" the boys too.
What about the next part? What about the God put US in charge part? For me, that's the worst part of what he says.
Again, if people want to engage in consensual sex, then who exactly needs blame?
Of course I have a problem with men seeing women solely as sex objects, and women only finding value in themselves if men find them attractive. However, there is nothing wrong with sexual attraction, and there's nothing wrong with trying to appear appealing to the opposite (or same) sex.
As for how women are treated in strict Islamic communities (as well as MANY MANY other cultures throughout the world), it makes me feel ill.
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Rocco Grimaldi:
1. Dictates to women (not girls, adult women) what they should and shouldn't do.
2. Blames women for tempting men (into what? Consensual sex?)
3. States that God put men in charge of the earth.
Misogyny. Plain and simple.
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That's an awful nice gesture for the Gophers to invite the Minnesota teams down to the Cities for a tournament. I'm predicting that UND will still be traveling to play at the BSU's, Mankato's, and the SCSU's of the college hockey world than the Gophers will be.
Edit: I guess I should have read the article before posting. Apparantly the Gophers are looking at going on the road to the Minnesota schools as well. Guess we will just have to wait and see.
See, I don't know if they are considering both or if the "road trips" are only if the tournament doesn't work out. My guess is the Gophers would go on the road to the odd school out. Here's the problem: if you guys recall, UMD, SCSU, MSUM and UMTC had a thing like this at the X in 2009. UMD and MSUM were the home teams and played 1 game against SCSU and UMTC, respectively. Attendance was not that fabulous, UMTC refused to give up a home game so they didn't have it the following year, and even though it was a "home" game for Mankato, the Gophers brought their band, cheerleaders, mascot, and I believe got first choice of locker room.
Thanks, but no thanks. Come up to AMSoil and spend money in our city. Mike Connolly's gone so they don't have to be scared of getting 5 goals scored on them anymore.
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Going to Huntsville in winter would be a vacation compared to SSM/LSS, I hope they do get a look if the AHA schools jump to the CCHA, it would stink if they got a "we'll still play you but not as a member" offer.
The problem is, if you go to Huntsville, you have to hide yo kids and hide yo wife. So that's something that must be considered.
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I didn't realize it was a big deal to do that, the way that basketball teams attend tournaments for a week at a time I thought it was more common, so maybe that's not an option after all. Sounded good though.
That's basketball, which makes the NCAA lots of monies! They could eat a baby before every game and the NCAA would be like wooo!
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True but when you consider that UAA makes 8 or 9 trips down here every year it doesn't sound so bad. If you could play one team on a Sat and Sun and then stay in Alaska and play the other one the next Fri and Sat it would make sense, but then you'd have expenses for food and lodging plus schoolwork issues, so budget wise it would probably not be much better, but at least you could avoid that long trip twice.
It wouldn't totally surprise me if they ended up in the same conference with this shakeup, but either way it won't concern us joining the NCHC.
The teams would have to receive NCAA exemptions to do so. Not saying they couldn't, but if UAA and UAF are already getting exemptions, is the NCAA going to want to give them to six more teams?
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If the idea is to add schools that are "likable" to Notre Dame - academically and DI - so that Notre Dame (and maybe other higher profile schools in the West later) would join, no Minnesota State school would be acceptable.
Miami - DI, high academics - check
Denver - DI, high academics - check
CC - DIII, high academics - partial check
UNO - DI, commuter school - partial check (rushed through a DI acceptance to make UNO acceptable?)
UMD - DII, decent academics - partial check - but don't be surprised if UMD needs to pursue DI as part of this deal
UND - DI, Tier 1 - check
All the Mn State school don't pass any of these tests.
Before there is a smirk, look at the Big East. A number of its schools are rated lower than UND/Miami/Denver: West Virginia, Louisville, Villanova, Providence.
You're missing the key component which I think is the ability and willingness to spend money. Goon touched on that earlier, but SCSU's athletic department is in such a tenuous position that they almost dropped football. Starting this league is going to be cost money. I don't think SCSU, MSUM, etc have the money. I'm surprised UMD does, honestly. The NCHL has no money, it's being fronted by the member schools, whereas the WCHA itself has revenue. (I don't know how they make their money other than the Final Five, but whatever.) SCSU doesn't have the budget flexibility to pay for the costs of these PR firms, hiring a commissioner, etc.
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I understand the rest of the WCHA's fans anger, etc. I had a problem with the Goofs shouting from the roof tops how they would never have screwed the little guys BUT for the fact, poor them, they were forced to join the BTHC. Now I don't care what they think. They can keep up the hate banter. They're just making themselves look like the hypocritical a$$es they are. UND, et al are not sitting behind and bemoaning the fact that UMtc and UW left the WCHA. They looked to the future and made a decision to form a new conference. We'll see.....
Oh, I agree, Gopher fans' anger is unjustified. (And DU, Miami and Notre Dame are getting off easy.)
Remaining WCHA teams NCAA championships? Michigan Tech with 2 or 3, I believe. Remaining WCHA teams rinks? Nice but second-tier, except for Bemidji probably. Personally, I'd really like to see Tech and Bemidji in the new conference. I hate seeing the MacNaughton go and I think Tech will be good again someday. Bemidji worked its ass off to get into the WCHA and basically gets left out and I feel really badly for them. Rich history for a program and good coach.
I thought I was the only person who would like to see Tech in the conference. I know it's weird because they've been terrible, but they have totally shown they are a "like-minded" school with the $$$$$$ they were willing to spend on Mel. I doubt there are many people out there who, now that we aren't in the same conference as Tech, would like nothing more than to see that school flourish again. Plus the MacNaughton rules. We saw what happened when they replaced the Broadmoor: ugliest f***ing trophy ever.
Maybe in the future the NCHL will have a chance to invite them.
I agree they will be "big dogs" but for some to suggest that they are going to weild all of the power like some have suggested is short sited. Some have also suggested some how that these programs have sold their sole is silly...
We still have our shoes, so no soles have been sold... You can say it's me, Goon, you don't have to say "some people." It's not a secret! Maybe I've used a little hyperbole but it's not like schools haven't made concessions when joining conferences before. UAA, UAF, BSU, they all made concessions to get in to their conferences.
I don't know that UND received "second class" treatment in the WCHA. We have no idea what happens at those WCHA meetings, but what it seems like is UND, UW, UMTC, DU, CC, UMD and UNO have been on the same side of issues for quite some time (well, except for UNO because they've only been there a year!) and have held a majority, which means that they have gotten what they wanted more often than not. I'm glad UMD is on the side of the D-1 schools, frankly, because it shows they are looking forward and looking at growth. I know UMD would be top dogs in the WCHA had they stayed, but they would have been left with that former-minority-now-majority that didn't have the same philosophies about the sports and the league that UMD did. I do think it's a very exciting time to be a Bulldog right now.
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I keep reading how UND, and UND alone, is the villain that is killing small program hockey. Balderdash!! Without the complete cooperation of all the six programs, this new conference would never have happened. Is UND a 'power' in the conference, probably, but it's not a dictatorship. If the other members don't have a voice, the conference will die. If the scuttlebutt is true and Notre Dame will only join a conference with a total of 7 teams, they will be dictating the future growth of the program and who knows what else. If true, I say, let them look elsewhere. I hope it's not, and I hope they decide to join the NCHL.
While UND and DU are without a doubt the driving forces of the NCHL (not a judgement, just an observation), Notre Dame and Miami are getting off easy. They were restless to dump the CCHA for anything else, including the WCHA (and in my opinion, simply adding ND and Miami to the WCHA would have been the WORST outcome for the CCHA schools remaining as well as making every conference full to bursting).
I honestly can't blame "leftover" fans for how they feel right now. It has to be scary for some fans to think their team might not be around in a few years. If they want to be upset, it's ok with me. I felt sick about the idea when it first surfaced and UMD was not in the discussion.
I am not comfortable right now about UMD's role in the new conference. I just have such a nagging feeling that won't go away until more organizational details emerge. It was a gutsy move. I just hope UMD didn't have to make costly concessions to get into the conference and that they are considered a true "founding member." We may never know, but I'd be interested in learning who was involved at the "hey, let's start a conference!" stage and who (if anyone) didn't get involved until they were invited. Lots of people are wondering "Why UMD?" And maybe it's just cause of our recent success and new arena that has been so, um, "welcoming" to UND
and because at WCHA meeting and votes the UMD staff found themselves on the same side as these other schools, and I'm being overly paranoid, but maybe UMD did something extra (like agree to a lesser share of revenue for x number of years or something, I don't know) to make themselves more appealing because they were afraid to be left behind.We'll all see, I guess!!
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I don't want one program to be 'bigger' than any of the others. If having Notre Dame join the Super League (I like that better than the National which reminds me of a car rental agency) means they will dictate how it is run, etc. I don't want them.
I think there are already schools in the NCHL (I like that, whoever thought of it!) that are "bigger" than the others. I'm pretty sure UMD doesn't have the power that UND and DU have right now.
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What he said was "He is committed to UND, but I will be surprised if the Rangers let him do that and not have him in the Canadian league" Heard it, rewound it on my DVR and than all of us watching this yelled at the T.V. Now as far as who said it, I don't know, just know it was said by one of the two on T.V.
They did the same garbage with Dylan Olsen (who should have listened, but not for their reasons) and Jaden Schwartz (yeah, he's gonna give up playing on the same team as his brother). And others, but I don't specifically recall. They act like these guys are just setting for college and their first round status makes them somehow worthy of the vaunted CHL. Sometimes they are right, like with John Moore, but it's just CHL tongue-bathing propaganda, not inside knowledge.
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Upperclassmen players live in the dorms? Specifically, juniors?
I can't respond to Sicatoka without saying stuff that's not public knowledge. However, the freshmen weren't carried in by no one. The article states they were carried in by other older players. Players were already there when the 911 call was made. Unless you're implying that those players left and new players arrived. If they weren't there from the start, they wouldn't know to be there unless "summoned" or unless they lived in the dorms and heard the noise. I guess there are many sophomores and occasional juniors that live on campus but it seems highly unlikely that all of these "older players" do. Let's not be silly and act like these guys just instinctively knew there was a problem and showed up after the police were called.
Anyway, I'm still looking askance at parts of the situation but ultimately I don't really care beyond my relief no one was seriously injured or died.