Brim006

2-decade old revival. Love it lol

From what I remember, that was probably worst-case scenario? Easily enough kids to make 2 teams but the lopsided numbers to North made it complicated. Now they will have far too many kids for one program and many will either not join or get cut? Hopefully their JR GOLD team/s has some room.

That's great news. Is that the new potato processor coming to town or something else?

Wow I didnt realize it used to be over 10k. Less than 1/4 of what it used to be even in the 90s, sheesh. That is substantial.

To be fair, the census is typically the baseline for population estimates yes, but it's pretty well known that the 2020 census was a disaster due to covid. The counts got drug out nearly 2 years late, it forced restarting counts midway through, and the questionable results have created many debates about it's accuracy in many different areas due to it's impact on political representative counts in some larger cities and states. But it's still far better than judging by a new apartment complex or gut feel on traffic congestion.

Agreed. But I'm not just comparing with Fargo, I'm comparing with pretty much every other peer city within a 750-1000 mile radius that has been growing substantially in population, economy, household income and everything in between all at levels far above Grand Forks. And other than the good ole boys club actively suppressing new development opportunities to protect their own pockets, I just don't understand how or why it has happened. And the future outlook appears to be even worse. 2025 to 2050 population growth forecasts just in ND, from the ND dept of commerce.

How about this one straight from the North Dakota Department of Commerce. Read through their extensive forecasting study and tell me Grand Forks is doing well compared to any of its peers. I didn't come here to argue this point, I came here to try figure out why it's happening and was curious to who had some ideas or solutions. I thought it was pretty well known and obvious Grand Forks was falling short on capturing any of this local economic growth. And judging by these state forecasts, it's only going to snow ball from here. State Data Center | Commerce | North Dakota Region 8 (Dickinson): +39.96% Region 5 (Fargo): +33.44% Region 1 (Williston): +30.01% Region 7 (Bismarck): +20.68% Region 2 (Minot): +15.00% Region 4 (Grand Forks): +3.18% Region 3 (Devils Lake): −8.17% Region 6 (Jamestown): −9.11%

I don't think anyone has said Grand Forks was going to crumble to the ground. I think most unbiased outsiders are just noticing the obvious stagnant growth it's had despite all of it's peer cities growing and prospering. I love Grand Forks and want to see it prosper, and maybe that means quality over quantity which would be fine too, but the truth is it hasn't really been either. If you want to compare from the 1990s to now. Offical census counts for each peer in 1990 compared to 2020 % growth. Which one stands out? Fargo, ND: 69.81% West Fargo, ND: 159.28% Grand Forks, ND: 18.83% Rapid City, SD: 42.56% Bismarck, ND: 47.32% Sioux Falls, SD: 137.04%

North Dakota population forecast for 2025 and 2030 - Aterio

These 10 year forecasted growth estimates look promising.

Exactly. UND campus growth, older complexes getting torn down. The population data is accurate, and shows little to no new residents, so it's just a fact that it's just housing transitions far more than new resident growth. I would love to say Grand Forks is booming just like F/M, BisMan, SF, RC and other similar areas but its just not at all for some reason. Either way, housing upgrades are a boost to the community so that's good to hear.

What's your point? 119 single family lots? That will only account for about 300 people in a 3-4 year span LOL. That's decimal dust. The data doesn't lie...Grand Forks is not growing, and I'm sorry that hurts your feelings and bias. If one older complex is being torn down anytime soon that will wash out this new addition... those people have to go somewhere, so that will push supply and demand transitions in the apartment and housing market. Any new apartment complexes in GF appear to almost be entirely filled by current locals, or UND students, not newcomer citizens. Upgrading the community housing is always a good thing though, so that's a plus.

Population growth? 4-5 apartment complexes per year? I'm assuming this is just a running inside joke I missed haha. At best GF has been stagnant, and most years actually getting smaller. Which is actually quite the impressive feat figuring all it's largest ND and SD peers are growing 10-25% in this same span. It's almost like Grand Forks is actively pushing to keep people out. I'm not sure how they're accomplishing it.

With the West likely having no contenders, is there anyone from the East that will be able to run with GFC+RR to at least give hope of avoiding the all GF ship yet again? FD, FN, WFS, WF?

What's the scoop on Century kids leaving early or what's the doom and gloom about there? I see they are supposed to be returning 4 of their top 5 scorers from a solid team last year, plus have a returning goalie who posted .930 SV% in 18 games played. And there's no way that's true about the WDA only returning 5 of the top 100 scorers in the state. Century alone has 5...and even if they are leaving Legacy has 4 (1 sounds like he's leaving), Bott 2, Dick 1, Jtown 3, Mandan 2, Minot 5, Williston 2. Of those 24 are you saying you personally confirmed 19 of them are leaving early?

Who are some of the top returning players? Minot losing a few to juniors I hear? GPR and DL have a few young studs but not enough. RR and GFC will reload no problem im sure. How are the Fargo and WF schools looking? Looks like century and Mandan will be top dogs out west? Legacy losing a few kids early including their freshman phenom.

This. And a lot of parents forget that even if your kid truly is elite, and you have the money to support whatever extra development opportunities, that the kid himself still has to want it even more than the parents. You can't force passion, and you can't force true effort on someone no matter how hard you try.

Or just let them enjoy playing the sport of hockey with their hometown friends.

It's a strange trend, and I'm guessing most often it is the parents that want it for their pissing matches. Too many doors have opened just for money making oppurtunities that are posing as development opportunities. It is very rare where we see a kid leaving early being for a legitmate reason. Most often they get little to no benefit from a life altering change. And all for what? Someone should teach parents basic statistics so they can see the reality of their kid playing anything beyond Jr Bs after school.

Gotcha. So Jerry, the SDSU transfer and who's the 3rd?

I didn't follow spring ball coverage whatsoever. I recall Romfo was recovering so he hasnt been playing, but how is the new transfer from San Diego State U doing? Also, curious why it is dumb that Tom said that. Is there a clear 1-2 race or clear #1 in your opinion. Genuinely asking since I have no clue as of right now other than Romfo having a low D3 arm at best.

And it isn't just cow college, as I'd say they are an outlier. SDSU is outlier territory too. So let's look at some of the other peers. USD has had 2 drafted and 3 signed in the past 5 years. = 5 total UNI has had 5 drafted and 5 more signed in the past 5. = 10 total MSU has had 2 drafted and 3 more signed in the past 5 = 5 total Griz has had 1 drafted and 3 more signed in the past 5. = 4 total UND has had 1 drafted and 3 more signed in the past 5. = 4 total (the AI tool I used for this lists Waletzko, Maag, Noah Larson, and Jaxson Turner all drafted for signed. Did Tov never actually sign I suppose? Otherwise that'd be 1+4=5 total.) Doesn't look all that bad actually.

Agreed. Statistically speaking, playing middle of the road ball in the MV and BS for as many years as UND has, they should have had at least twice as many as they have. So even without improvements they would've been bound to have more in the future just by the laws data playing at that level and conference. But with improvements added into the mix as well, I think UND is about to see it happening much more often.

Ah yes, I forgot about Toivonen and Maag. I recall Toivonen getting some playing time and even a few catches in pre-season games. His body type got him the opportunity and he did quite well with his opportunity, but it still wasn't enough for a roster shot unfortunately due to a pretty stacked roster that year. Still pretty wild that quite a few local NSIC D2 teams have been producing comparable numbers of NFL talent as UND. Mankato, Augustana, UMD, and even the late St. Cloud team had a few recently. Mankato likely the most impressive list since 2010 in Thielen, Chris Reed and Shane Zylstra who all had/have substantial playing time holding starting positions for multiple years. Hell even lowly late UMC had a kid who played there for 2 years before they folded and he transfered to NDSU and is still playing in the NFL (Mason Miller).

That's a bummer for Bo, I was optimistically thinking he would at least sneak onto a PS somewhere. I didn't count Kenny G. since he transferred to NIU after UND. But the other guys in that bucket would include Kyle Hergel and Kilty too. Before that I think we have to go all the way back to around 2004-2005 for Chris Kuper. Crazy Nice to see UND winning some of the recruiting battles that they would've been losing in the recent past though. That is a small step in the right direction!