engelbunny

Exactly. UND could sell its copyrights on everthing "Fighting Sioux", to some third party that just might donate all profits back to the athletic department.

In the worst case scenario that UND feels it needs to drop the name in order to host football and basketball playoff games, how about "officially" dropping the Fighting Sioux name, and not have any replacement. Going about trying to pick a different name would be a disaster, look at Marquette. Just be North Dakota, and we're here to kick your *ss. The fans can carry on the name themselves, but as far as the U is concerned, they don't have a name. If the public address announcer leaves a pause after announcing "Here comes the University of North Dakota", and the crowd screams out "Fighting Sioux", what is UND to do about it? It is quite funny that the N$AA will insist the the REA cover up all logos in the arena. What is it to do about 10,000 fans in the stands, all with a Sioux logo on their shirts?

Whoa Engelbunny, you had me agreeing with everything you said until this post, "The arena was not built for the students........" The hockey team is made up of UND students, if you're not a student you can't be on the Sioux hockey team. When I started going to hockey games as a student, I didn't pay for my ticket. I stood in line and if I was lucky, I got a ticket. Students now pay for their tickets and pay a student activity fee. That's double dipping in my book. But I digress, the money for the arena came from an alum who loved Sioux hockey played by UND students. In other words the arena was built for UND students. Please don't make the gap wider with this type of posting. I think your proving my point here with your post. I don't think there is anything wrong with what I said. The arena was built for Sioux Hockey, and all who love it (students, kids, middle age people and old alums who can barely walk but love the games). If Ralph would have built it with only the students in mind, it would be a much different arena. In fact, much of the reason the arena turned out as it did is because the ND legislature passed a bill that required that a building donated to a university be self sufficient. They were nervous that the operating costs of the building would become a huge expense to the University. So now the building had to fund itself. The arena is actually designed around the suite level. Like it or not, that is where the constant revenue stream is. And before you get down on those people, many of the suite holders are alums, are long-time hockey fans, and they cheer at the games. Certainly many people coming to the games are there to be seen, but that is not relegated to only the non students. My whole point is that you students are going to have quit with the "we're getting screwed" mentality. Your post above continues with the students against all else line of thinking. It is not productive. The situation is what it is. The old days are gone and they aren't coming back. That is reality. But you can work to make it better.

The arena was not built for the students or necessarily for the university, it was built for Sioux hockey. I really think the students should have to attend a mandatory meeting. Learn the songs, learn certain cheers. This should be coordinated with the athletic department. You should not have to have flyers with the words passed out to the freaking students. You should Know these songs before you get to the arena. They are not hard to learn. I know them and so do my kids. The lower bowl can scream Sioux YEAH YEAH, and the upper bowl will answer with the Yeah SIOUX SIOUX. It should be second nature to you students. You don't need to have alot of cheers that you expect everyone to join you with. Just a few - the songs, the Sioux Yeah Yeah, and the ever popular Let's Go Sioux. But you all need to do them loud. Keep at it. Eventually the rest of the crowd will "Get it". If you students get your act together, everyone else will love it. Get the adminstration on board. But make this orientation an annual required event. One generation of students will have to work their butts off to get it going, but then each year you have 3 classes that get it and pass it on to the new ones. It is up to the students. What have you got to lose?

Diggler,Apr 15 2005, 07:31 PM The fact that about 80% of the arena doesn't participate in the sieve cheer, makes me wonder if many of them ever will get involved in any cheer. The "Sieve" cheer can sometimes defeat itself. It makes no sense to get after that one when an opposing goalie finally lets one in after having put up a 35 save performance. But that's what you guys do. It works at St. Cloud where the whole crowd does it as part of a song blasted on the PA every time the Huskies score. It has gotten to be part of the ritual there. You need to get rituals going at the Ralph. How many of students even know the words to the fight song? Or Stand Up and Cheer? That song is played by the band every time the Sioux score, but nobody sings it. When I was young, the band used to start playing the fight song a few minutes before the team took the ice. They started out slow and gradually got faster and faster. The fans clapped and stomped and the place rocked. Many sang the song. Think how great it would be to have all the students singing and stomping and clapping along with the band to the fight song in this manner. You will set the tone for the crowd for the game. It will take time for the rest of the arena to join in, but the students can't give up. You need to set the tone.

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Congrats to Denver. But way to go Sioux! It was an exciting run. They played their hearts out and gave us a lot to cheer for. Paukovich: We watched the handshakes at the end and all the Sioux players shook his hand, with more than few exchanging extra words and a pat on the shoulder. The players seem to be able to deal with this, so the fans ought to as well. Value City Arena: The arena is obviously a basketball venue first, as shots on goal were recorded on the score board as

Elroy "Crazy Legs" Hirsch Tyler "Just Plain Crazy" Hirsch And don't bother ripping on me for this.

Well, remember, GBPkrzz dilemma is whether to watch the game on TV or go to the play, not travel to Columbus or go to the play. Since he's staying in town, I think he just might have to go to the play and watch the game later. However, if the decision were between the play and being on the bus, well then grab a pillow and settle in for the 20 hour drive!

Here's a different travel tip: Fly out of Omaha, NE on Southwest Airlines. Omaha is a 7 hour drive from Grand Forks. I booked 4 tickets out on Thursday morning returning on Sunday. Cost per ticket was $287. I booked 3 nights hotel at the Holiday in Columbus West for $90 per night, this is the same hotel offered by the plane charter. Add in one night stay in Omaha (because flight leaves very early Thursday) $100. Total cost for 4 was $1520 or about $380 each. Beats a 20 drive. Also, if you are willing to wait and leave on Monday you can save $100 per plane ticket, but have an extra hotel night in Columbus.

This I agree with. The south end club was supposed to be for FSC members. The only people that should be allowed in the south end club at any point during the game are club seat holders and FSC members, period. That seems to be a reasonable "perk of membership". But to make it worthwhile, maybe they should limit it to coaches club and above so that your country club analogy fits!

Maybe someone here could explain to me how the blame for the increase in FSC fees or the lack of perks for membership falls to the REA people? I was under the impression that the REA collected the FSC fees as part of the ticket sales function, but that ALL such fees are passed on in their entirety to the FSC. I know that our annual donation to the Fighting Sioux Club for the right to purchase good seats is receipted each year by said FSC as a tax deductible donation. It seems a little petty to blame the REA for all matters relating to hockey, when in fact maybe the Fighting Sioux Club people are the ones dropping the ball with respect to pre game goodies and so forth. As previously mentioned, the costs for athletic scholarships continue to increase and so more dollars must be generated. And all costs for the womens hockey team (and they are substantial) have to covered from other sources because the revenue is nil. That is not a rip on women's hockey, just an honest fact.

I have Colby Genoway's #29 Jersey worn in the 2003 HOF game against Duluth. These were the green jerseys with SIOUX lettered diagonally on the front. I purchased the jersey at auction last fall and would be willing to sell it, but depending on what you have to trade - I may be more interested in that.