HockeyisGr8
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Nothing - I just don't see as much parity as you apparently do based on one team winning a NT 4 times in 14 years. I think they have pretty much established that they are a notch above everybody else - clear?
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I take it you mean besides BC. One NT every 3.5 years on average does seem like parity to me. I would have been happy with 1 in the last 10. How about you.
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First, gfhockey, doesn't have to go away. We are all entitled to our own opinion, even if you don't like it. Second, I don't think anything he said in his post that prompted you to tell him to go away was in any way inaccurate, so why do you object to those statements?
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I got ya - my bad, because I agree with you that it is absolutely amazing how much chatter results on this thread based solely on the result of a single Friday or Saturday night game, not to mention a full weekend. It's crazy.
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OK, I did as you suggested and my thoughts haven't changed. I believe Goon said "sweep this past weekend and this thread died". I just didn't believe (and still don't) that this thread would die based on last weekends sweep. I guess the 13 or so additional posts since Goon's are further evidence of that. Just my opinion, I'm sorry you didn't like it. But we are all entitled to our own opinion and I respect the fact that's yours may be different than mine. If you believe the post has "died" I would suggest that you don't have to post on it any more.
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My guess is the life or death of this thread will have more to do with the end of the season result rather the end of a weekend result in the middle of the season.
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I was going to ask Goon the same question but I get the impression that he would never fire Hakstol under the those circumstances. Am I correct Goon? If not the same question to you. I am just curious how long you guys would accept the status quo b/4 the lack of a NT would prompt you to make a move, if at all.
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So Mafia, I believe you have been asked this b/4, but not sure I have ever seen a specific answer. Assuming things continue the same as they have for the last 10 years (no titles - hope it doesn't but assume it does), i.e. - Hakstol's teams continue to be over .500, continue to compete for league regular/post season titles, stands remain full, team always makes NCAA tourney but Do Not win any NCAA titles (and let's also assume Minnesota does not either) - then as you are the AD in my scenario, would you fire Hakstol and if so how many more years would you give him b/4 making your move?
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I'm sure he'll share duties with you.
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Well atated beebsb010 - I couldn't agree more!
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Mafia - the problem with your pointing out that the best team doesn't always win (which is of course correct), is that not only has Hakstol not won in the years he "should have won" - he has also not won in those years when he did not have the best team in the national tourney. It's hard to say with a straight face that you can't expect the best team to win all the time and that you can't expect the team to win at least once when they weren't the best team. The point some of the critics (who are willing to brave the backlash on this sight) are trying to make, I think - is that you only get so many kicks at the can regardless of whether you have the "best" team or not. To his credit Hakstol has helped give his teams a kick every year he has been head coach. However, they have kicked and missed the can every time! When is it time to let someone else try to see if they can lead to the team to hitting the can?
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No contest for me. I would prefer a 1 NC every 6 years and missing the NCAA's in the other years as opposed to being in the NCAA's every year and not winning any NC's over that same 6 year period. And not making the NCAA's doesn't mean you can't be competitive and entertaining. For example, I thought CC was competitive and entertaining this year (they beat us three times I believe; I thought UNO was competitive and entertaining; I thought BU was competitive and entertaining (they split with us). Talk to Twins fans you will find the same discussion. Some are happy as can be to have the 2 world series titles in 26 years or whatever and several years of mediocrity in between and some want to be competitive every year and don't care about the world series titles. Opinions differ. In my case I want brag about my squad winning it all, and not about them just being there.
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Ah, but he would also have a NC. So it again comes down to individual preference. Let's face it as Sioux fans we all want to go to the dance every year and win every year, but reality says that will not happen. We also know Hakstol is not going anywhere anytime soon. So we are really just taking about those individual preferences - do you prefer participating every year and you're ok with no NC's or do you prefer a NC and the possibility of some corresponding down years. In the last 9 years I would have much preferred a NC or 2 to gether with some years not making the NCAA's over the current situation of 9 straight appearances and no titles.
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Fair enough. Then I appreciate your input. Thanks.
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good one!!!!
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and i'll give you a friendly piece of advice, read the post i responded to jack. i only gave back what i got.
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Because I am clearly much more intelligent than you and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that Coach Hakstol wants to win NC's. And I have no doubt that he would trade multiple appearances for winning a NC. Is it your position that he is perfectly happy appearing every year but not winning? I have a hard time not laughing at such a postion. Do you truly think like that? Do you think at all?
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FIrst of all I'm not talking about who the coach is (in this case it just happens to be Hakstol). I don't care who's coaching and I don't care if the NC came 05, 07, 09, 11 or this year. I value NC's more than just being there. If you want participation banners that's fine and your choice. Would I rather be in the NCAA's than not, of course. Would I trade being there every year for winning it once every 9 years or whatever, absolutely. To that end, if you asked coach Hakstol if he would trade his 8 other appearances for 1 NC over the last 9 years what do you think he would say. If you don't think the answer to that is yes then you are nutsI So he is most likely of the same opinion as I am. So I just hope he and his team can get over the hump next year, nothing more nothing less. would rather have 1 NC in the last 9 years than 9 appearances ; I want NC's.
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Sorry, but I want NC's , Gwoz has them, woog (i mean hakstol) doesn't. If you ask the players every year what their #1 goal is they would tell you a NC and everything else is secondary. I'd bet a month's salary if you asked Kristo, Knight, McWilliams or any underclassmen for that matter (or Hakstol for that matter) if they would take 1 NC and 3 years of average (like a .500 record and no McNaughton or Broadmoor trophies), over what they actually had the last 4 years, they would say hell yes in a heartbeat. Does that mean Hakstol is a bad coach, heck no, but you can't argue that he and his teams have struggled mightily to get the ultimate prize. To Hakstol and his teams credit they have found a way to get there 9 times in 9 years, and that is quite an accomplishment, but getting there is not the goal. That doesn't mean the team has played bad, they just haven't found the pot of gold. Out of curiosity, does anyone know - other than Woog has any coach been to the NCAA's more than Hakstol without winning a NC?
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First of all I said close to a miracle - but never the less: RPI - 5 or so frozen four appearances; 1 title - so no; LSSU - 4 FF appearances and 3 titles in 6 years - you were joking right N. Mich. - 3 FF appearances & 1 title - so no not really Harvard - about 11 or 12 FF appearances; 1 title (or more maybe, I don't know) - are you serious? But hey with BG in the new WCHA I would certainly say their chances of getting to the NCAA's for the 1st time in what 28 years are improving.
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Winning a NC at Bowling Green was close to a miracle, regardless of how you perceived the "state of some big-name programs back in the era".
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Gwoz is available & we know his teams have been able to find "it" i.e. back to back titles. By the way if you don't have "it" and don't know exactly what "it" is or what "it" looks, sounds or feels like, or where to look for "it", then how do you ever find "it"? Therefore, shouldn't you look for someone who knows all about "it" and has found "it" b/4, as opposed to someone who doesn't know anything about "it"? Well, that's "it" for now.
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If the coach doesn't have "it", or never had "it", or doesn't know how to find "it", how can he ever help his team find "it". Remember teams are most often a reflection of their coach. For at least the last 9 years the Hakstol hasn't had "it" so don't expect his team to have "it".
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