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So, did USD remove us from their 2012 schedule for Colgate, or is the one open date mentioned in the article where we used to reside? If they still have an open date, why aren't we trying to fill it instead of playing Mines?

FOOTBALL Attendance: North Dakota 1999 – 7,813 2002 – 9,488 2003 – 9,033 2004 – 9,389 2005 – 9,425 2006 – 8,827 2007 – 9,887 2008 – 10,167 2009 – 8,539 2010 – 8,154 North Dakota State 1999 – 11,410 2000 – 12,723 2002 – 10,620 2003 – 11,567 2004 – 13,269 2005 – 14,160 2006 – 16,377 2007 – 18,141 2008 – 18,032 2009 – 16,515 2010 – 15,944 South Dakota State 1999 – 6,139 2003 – 5,547 2005 – 6,934 (plus 7,239 for game in Sioux Falls) 2006 – 9,652 2007 – 11,218 2008 – 9,907 2009 – 13,265 2010 – 10,023 South Dakota 1999 – 4,408 2003 – 4,341 2005 – 7,597 2006 – 8,054 2007 – 8,321 2008 – 7,645 2009 – 8,117 2010 – 8,352

Good debate. While I understand the hesitancy to shell out 100-150K to bring in a lower level FCS team in favor of a regional opponent that will cost less and draw the same-size crowd, I don't understand why we can't play South Dakota, which would be a D-I game against a regional opponent and draw a good crowd (in GF or Vermillion). They were on the schedule for 2012 before we were invited to the MVFC and Big Sky. One of us had to drop that game. Who and why?

Are we sure this will be the only repercussion? Will we lose the ability to play Minnesota, Wisconsin and others in non-league games? Will we be banned from post-season appearances completely by a punitive NCAA? Will enough teams in the Big Sky, who thought this issue was behind us, object? Will there be a costly legal battle that will drag on in the media and minds of recruits for several years? Will it be a distraction for recruits? The answer to all these may be "no" or some may not like the questons, but these are fair questions.

It won't be Las Vegas. Sin City already hosts three post-season conference tournaments. They don't have the venues or desire to host a fourth.

Correction: Douple hates UND like Satan hates Jesus.

Ouch! Hopefully that 2012-13 number will be significantly higher, and out years beyond that backup into the early 2000s range or better. 2010-11 -- 1,626 2009-10

If someone has the time to do this, I would find it very interesting and helpful.

I don't believe Kelley will "unilaterally" choose the new nickname. Kelley, like most university presidents, is a politician and will try to build consensus (as much as one can on an issue like this). A committee will be formed, float a few suggestions, then make a recommendation, which Kelley will likely approve. Will everyone be happy in the end? Of course, not. But it won't be because Kelley picked the new nickname. It will be a committee recommendation.

Actually, I don't think we're that far off. We have some good young players who should be ready to compete in the Big Sky. And the Big Sky bid, plus the fact we'll be post-season eligible soon, is going to really help recruiting -- already has, in fact! If we have another strong recruiting class to follow on this one, then look for us to be in the post-season mix soon after we start Big Sky play.

Agree the season is broken out into those three parts. We should be 4-2 after you factor in the FBS, non-FCS and non-scholarship (Drake) teams. That means the season turns with how we do against Great West teams and UNC. Right now, most of those could go either way....in large part depending on whether or not we find a quarterback. So, realistically we could go anywhere from 4-7 to 9-2. I think we'll be around 6-5. Division II/NAIA/Non-schoarships Drake - Win Black Hills -- Win Montana Western -- Win Sioux Falls-- Win FBS Idaho -- Loss (Idaho has a lot coming back and if they find a QB will be better than last year) Fresno State -- Loss (a lot to ask to win out there) FCS Southern Utah -- probably toughest of our FCS games Cal Poly Northern Colorado UC Davis South Dakota

With the release of SUU's schedule yesterday, they're all out: SOUTHERN UTAH Sept. 3, at South Dakota State Sept. 10, Sacramento State Sept. 17, Texas-San Antonio Sept. 24, at UNLV Oct. 1, North Dakota Oct. 8, at South Dakota Oct. 15 at Cal Poly Oct. 24, at Weber State Oct. 29 UC Davis Nov. 12 at Northern Iowa Nov. 19 at Northern Arizona SOUTH DAKOTA Sep 3 at Air Force Sep 10 Eastern Washington Sep 17 Lamar Sep 24 at Wisconsin Oct 1 Lindenwood Oct. 8 Southern Utah Oct 15 at Illinois State Oct. 22 UC Davis Oct. 29 at Cal Poly Nov 12 Missouri S&T Nov. 19 at North Dakota UC DAVIS 09/01/11 at Arizona State 09/10/11 at Montana State 09/17/11 vs. San Diego 09/24/11 at Hawai'i 10/08/11 vs. Humboldt State 10/15/11 vs. Univ. of Texas, San Antonio 10/22/11 at South Dakota 10/29/11 at Southern Utah 11/05/11 vs. Cal Poly 11/12/11 vs. North Dakota 11/19/11 at Sacramento State CAL POLY Sep 3 @ San Diego State Sep 10 @ Montana Sep 17 South Dakota State Sep 24 @ Northern Illinois Oct 8 Central Oklahoma Oct. 15 Southern Utah Oct. 22 at North Dakota Oct. 29 South Dakota Nov. 5 at UC Davis Nov 12 Eastern Washington Nov 19 @ South Alabama NORTH DAKOTA Sep 01 Drake Sep 10 at Idaho Sep 17 at Fresno State Sep 24 Black Hills State Oct. 1 at Southern Utah Oct 8 Montana Western Oct. 22 Cal Poly Oct 29 at Northern Colorado Nov 05 Sioux Falls Nov. 12 at UC Davis Nov. 19 South Dakota

Yep. Here's a comparison of the 2011 non-league schedules for the five Great West teams: SOUTHERN UTAH Sept. 3, at South Dakota State Sept. 10, Sacramento State Sept. 17, Texas-San Antonio Sept. 24, at UNLV Oct. 22, at Weber State Nov. 12, at Northern Iowa Nov. 19, at Northern Arizona SOUTH DAKOTA Sep 3 at Air Force Sep 10 Eastern Washington Sep 17 Lamar Sep 24 at Wisconsin Oct 1 Lindenwood Oct 15 at Illinois State Nov 12 Missouri S&T UC DAVIS 09/01/11 at Arizona State 09/10/11 at Montana State 09/17/11 vs. San Diego 09/24/11 at Hawai'i 10/08/11 vs. Humboldt State 10/15/11 vs. Univ. of Texas, San Antonio 11/19/11 at Sacramento State CAL POLY Sep 3 @ San Diego State Sep 10 @ Montana Sep 17 South Dakota State Sep 24 @ Northern Illinois Oct 8 Central Oklahoma Nov 12 Eastern Washington Nov 19 @ South Alabama NORTH DAKOTA Sep 01 Drake Sep 10 at Idaho Sep 17 at Fresno State Sep 24 Black Hills State Oct 08 Montana Western Oct 29 at Northern Colorado Nov 05 Sioux Falls

Southern Utah's schedule is out. The Thunderbirds will play current Big Sky members Sacramento State (Sept. 10), Weber State (Oct. 22) and Northern Arizona (Nov. 19) as well as Great West members North Dakota (Oct. 1) Cal Poly (Oct. 15), UC Davis (Oct. 29), three schools which, like Southern Utah, will move to the Big Sky after this season. Sept. 3, at South Dakota State, Brookings, S.D., TBA Sept. 10, Sacramento State, Cedar City, Utah, 3 p.m. Sept. 17, Texas-San Antonio, Cedar City, Utah, 8 p.m. Sept. 24, at UNLV, Las Vegas, Nev., TBA Oct. 1, North Dakota*, Cedar City, Utah, 3 p.m. Oct. 8, at South Dakota*, Vermillion, S.D., TBA Oct. 15, at Cal Poly*, San Luis Obispo, Calif., TBA Oct. 22, at Weber State, Ogden, Utah, TBA Oct. 29, UC Davis*, Cedar City, Utah, 3 p.m. Nov. 12, at Northern Iowa, Cedar Falls, Iowa 8 p.m. Nov. 19, at Northern Arizona, Flagstaff, Ariz., TBA *-Great West Conference game

It makes an incredible amount of sense to keep the UND-USD series alive, in all sports. Not only are we similar, peer universities in adjoining states, it will bring bigger crowds, less travel costs, better exposure in the Dakotas for both programs, and many other advantages And we could replace the Sitting Bull trophy with something like SDSU and NDSU have in the Dakota Marker. Everyone wins! When it comes to FB, I'd love to see our 8-game Big Sky scheduled supplemented with annual games with USD and NDSU.

Ok, I guess that makes sense. If you're trying to attract someone from outside the NCAA (from the NAIA) they want to be more encouraging. With all the teams leaving the NAIA for D-II, I wonder what will ultimately become of the NAIA. Can't imagine they can continue having two divisions for some sports that much longer.

The Cougars, who are not eligible for NCAA postseason play until 2012 when they begin a Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference schedule............. Why is there only a one year transition from NAIA to DII but four years from DII to DI?

It's listed here for Sept. 7: http://wiki.siouxspo...l/2013_schedule and in this news release: http://www.fightingsioux.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=58640&SPID=6399&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=204929801

University of Idaho peer institutions. http://www.ucm.uidah....aspx?pid=86019 · Colorado State University · Iowa State University · Kansas State University · Michigan State University · Montana State University - Bozeman · New Mexico State University - Main Campus · Oklahoma State University - Main Campus · Oregon State University · Texas Tech University · University of Arizona · University of Arkansas - Main Campus · University of California-Davis · University of Nebraska at Lincoln · University of Nevada-Reno · University of Wyoming · Utah State University · Washington State University You can quibble over athletic vs. academic peer institutions but either way Idaho really is bothered that the Big Sky now is comprised of so many Carneige lower-tier, "directional" institutions. In recent years, since Idaho left the Big Sky, they've added Southern Utah, Northern Colorado, Sacramento State, and Portland State. If they felt they'd outgrown the Big Sky before, the addition of these institutions has only reduced the BSC's image further in their eyes. Even Eastern Washington joined less than a decade before Idaho left. Meahwnile, old rivals Nevada and Boise State have moved on to become successful, Top 25 FBS teams. UND's presence helps the Big Sky's image somewhat, as would have USD's, but not nearly enough for it to overcome it's current image to Idaho fans.

If you think the reaction to our schedule has been filled with vitriol, you outta hear what they're saying in California about UC Berkeley's announcement yesterday that they will host tiny Presbyterian College this fall: http://www.sfgate.co.../SPVD1HNJ41.DTL Check out the Comments section.

SDSU has released its schedule. They open with SUU: DATE OPPONENT TIME SERIES RECORD Sept. 3 SOUTHERN UTAH [Cereal Bowl] 6 p.m. SDSU leads 3-1 Sept. 10 at Illinois TBA First meeting Sept. 17 at Cal Poly 4 p.m. PT Cal Poly leads 4-2 Sept. 24 *at Illinois State TBA SDSU leads 2-1 Oct. 1 *INDIANA STATE [beef Bowl] 6 p.m. SDSU leads 2-1 Oct. 8 *at Youngstown State TBA SDSU leads 7-5 Oct. 15 *NORTHERN IOWA [Hall of Fame Game] 6 p.m. UNI leads 26-17-2 Oct. 22 *NORTH DAKOTA STATE [Dakota Marker Game] 2 p.m. NDSU leads 52-40-5 Oct. 29 *at Missouri State TBA SDSU leads 3-0 Nov. 5 *SOUTHERN ILLINOIS [Hobo Day] 2 p.m. SIU leads 2-1 Nov. 12 *at Western Illinois TBA Series tied 4-4 *Missouri Valley Football Conference game

Is it completely out of the question that our athletic department might be arranging for a swap that would bring in at least one better game in 2011? Perhaps a tradout for the Montana Western game? It seems like even the FBS teams are a bit fluid -- witness the current effort for Nevada to abandon their game with Boise State next year, or the changes with TCU's schedule. Could it still be possible we'll have at least one change to our schedule? Or is it too late to really expect anything to change?

No "point," just showing Minot State is upgrading their schedule all around so MSU-Bozeman type games will be part of their future. If UND plays a D-II team in the future, as do most BSC teams, it's possible Minot will be on our schedule too (although I hope we try to pack our non-leaguers with NDSU, USD, etc....). University of Texas San Antonio begins play in 2011 under former Miami coach Larry Coker. They beome a member of the WAC in 2012. All home games are in the Alamodome. Roadrunner football schedules 2011 Sept. 3 -- Northeastern (Okla.) State, Alamodome Sept. 10 -- McMurry, Alamodome Sept. 17 -- at Southern Utah, Cedar City, Utah Sept. 24 -- Bacone College, Alamodome Oct. 1 -- at Sam Houston State, Huntsville, Texas Oct. 8 -- South Alabama, Alamodome Oct. 15 -- at UC Davis, Davis, Calif. Oct. 22 -- at Northwestern State, Natchitoches, La. Oct. 29 -- Georgia State, Alamodome Nov. 12 -- at McNeese State, Lake Charles, La. Nov. 19 -- Minot State, Alamodome 2012 Sept. 1 -- at South Alabama, Mobile, Ala. Sept. 8 -- Sam Houston State, Alamodome Sept. 15 -- Southern Utah, Alamodome Sept. 29 -- at Georgia State, Atlanta, Ga. Oct. 27 -- UC Davis, Alamodome Nov. 10 -- McNeese State, Alamodome 2013 Full WAC schedule 2016 Sept. 16 -- Arizona State, Alamodome 2017 Sept. 9 -- at Baylor, Waco, Texas 2018 Sept. 1 -- at Arizona State, Tempe, Ariz. Sept. 8 ? Baylor, Alamodome 2019 Sept. 7 -- at Baylor, Waco, Texas

“The 2011 schedule isn't necessarily indicative of what the future holds,” said MSU Athletic Director Rick Hedberg. “Being an independent is difficult no matter where you are located, but for us in North Dakota, it's really tough. Joining the NSIC in 2012-13 will allow us more consistency in scheduling and guarantee us five or more home dates in football.” The Beavers are tentatively scheduled to begin NSIC play in football in the 2012 season. Minot State Football 2011 Schedule Date Team H/A Time Aug. 25 Bemidji State A 7 p.m. Sept. 3 Concordia-St. Paul H 1 p.m. Sept. 10 Texas A&M-Kingsville A 7 p.m. Sept. 17 Montana State-Bozeman A TBA Sept. 24 University of Sioux Falls H 1:30 p.m. Oct. 1 Black Hills State H 5 p.m. Oct. 8 University of Central Oklahoma A TBA Oct. 15 South Dakota Mines & Tech. A 1 p.m. (MT) Oct. 29 University of Sioux Falls A 1:30 p.m. Nov. 5 Black Hills State A 1:30 p.m. (MT) Nov. 19 University of Texas-San Antonio A TBA

UC Davis 2011 Football Schedule 09/01/11 at Arizona State 09/10/11 at Montana State 09/17/11 vs. San Diego 09/24/11 at Hawai'i 10/08/11 vs. Humboldt State 10/15/11 vs. Univ. of Texas, San Antonio (Homecoming) 10/22/11 at South Dakota 10/29/11 at Southern Utah 11/05/11 vs. Cal Poly (Parents Weekend) 11/12/11 vs. North Dakota 11/19/11 at Sacramento State (58th annual Causeway Classic)