darell1976
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People let's not jump to the negative and think about changing the nickname. We just would be able to host playoff games. Plus we will never host again for hockey and football and basketball are at least 5 years away. They can take away the nickname for the postseason but they cannot take it away for good unless we act like cowards and let them! I really think the Sioux Tribes are now the ones to focus on. It will be their decision and the complete country will be watching and judging. We must work with them to find a solution or the blame rests directly on two Tribal Governments. Wasn't it A Few Good Men where Jack Nickolas said "Sweet dreams son." The tribal govts. got what they wanted so I say good luck.
Let's all just take some time before jumping to conclusions. Three years is a long time to find a solution.
Whats the point! Say they give approval at the end of 2007 then in 2011 they change their mind, BAM the name is gone by 2012. Get rid of it now.
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I like the BLIZZARD
And if we ever play Miami then its the Blizzard vs the Hurricanes.
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My simple only request is that if the name does change, then I think it should be something that the public chooses.
Go Cavalry!!!!
I agree thats what we did at Central my senior year we were known as Redskins my freshmen year then the school board dropped the name then the rest of my years at Central we were the Maroon and Grey so my senior year we the students wrote down names that had to do with Central as a whole, and the final two were Knights and Pride and Knights won by a landslide because its part of Central's song, so i think the students of UND should vote for a new name and use the same elimination process we used at Central.
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time for the fire stenjim thread?
I second that.
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UND must win approval from the tribal councils of both the Standing Rock and Spirit Lake reservations.
If that approval is granted, it may be withdrawn at any time and UND must change its nickname within one year, said Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem.
Oh hell why bother then. You know they will withdraw it later anyways. Just change it now. That is a stupid provision by Stenehjem, he should have made it indifinate.
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In the event UND announces a transition to a new name and logo, that transition must be complete on or before Aug. 15, 2011.
UND and the NCAA have been at odds over this issue since August 2005 when the NCAA listed the school among 18 in the nation with mascots or nicknames considered
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I personally do like the "Force of the North" even though it was just a marketing slogan. I am fearful, however, that our Canadien friends would deem that hostile and abusive as they may see themselves as the actual "Force of the North".
They are north but not much force.
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Um...given Marquette's change from Warriors to Golden Eagles years ago, why do you think Warriors would be a good fit for UND?
I said Warriors are better than Chippewas, at least its not specific to one tribe. But overall i think abolish all indian nicknames in the whole state, why should the schools on the rez have indian nicknames when we can't. Why don't they get rid of them if they feel its so wrong.
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They also have like 30 days after that to announce a new nickname.
*Keep in mind that this is only if we do not get the support of the two tribes in ND and there is something in the settlement about the resolution passed by the Spirit Lake Nation. I'm sorry, I read it fast and wasn't paying attention to all the big legal words that I don't understand in it.
After Stenjum got everyones hopes up by saying along we are going to win this then pulling a stunt like this i learned not to get my hopes up again especially relying on the Sioux tribes. The name will be retired.
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What will we do with all the logos if we don't have the name? Would we need to get rid of the logos in 3 years if no agreement is reached? Or could this lead to a name change to "Chippewa" or more generically "Warriors", etc.
Does anyone know if the agreement allows us to keep the logo on the uniform if we use a different name?
No more tribe names i say Warriors or Natives is good, at least all the tribes will have a say. But overall it may be good to get rid of all Indian nickname ideas or else we will go through this again and again.
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The Sioux have until November 30, 2010 to win support of the Sioux tribes or the name is gone. Sure they would put the date in the middle of hockey season.
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We don't know what kind of support they need to meet the supporting tribe requirement - perhaps they already have the support they need, or have an agreement with a Sioux tribe in the works that will satisfy the requirement. If they can negotiate their way into keeping the name, it's going to be much cheaper than fighting in court over it for the next three or four years, and probably faster, too.
I still think there's a cause of action under equal protection in federal court if they want to keep the name, and people other than the university could reasonably have standing to sue. I strongly doubt that the NCAA, made up of mostly public university member institutions, isn't a state actor for equal protection purposes...
John
They had something in writting with the Spirit Lake Sioux but i heard it expired or something. So they need something that is indefinate and in writting with copies to everyone from the Govenor, up to damn near the president so this never happens again! I think they can get support from the Spirit Lake but Standing Rock and His Horse is Thunder would not go for it. He is too much of an a$$hole to agree to anything even though his tribe is for the name.
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Let us not forget that UND does not own REA; the university really does not have any say what goes on at the Ralph. The people who own stock in Arena Holdings Corp do. So UND needs to talk to REA before they say "sure we will remove some of the logos"
The REA could tell UND to play somewhere else and since they are tearing down the old Ralph that leaves Purpur Arena. Good luck fitting 11,000 people there.
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Cr@p!!!
I don't care how they spin this, we lost. One million dollars down the toilet!
Exactly. Stenjhem should be out as attorney general. What a quitter.
As for support for the name from the tribes i see maybe the Devils Lake Sioux supporting the name more than the Standing Rock. Its over. Time for a new name and NOTHING to do with Indians. -
His Horse is Thunder (Standing Rock) and Pearson (Spirit Lake) should be giving out shouts of joy if this is true. They've been handed the power if this is true. Isn't that what they really wanted? Yet, they seem hesitant, almost fearful, of the power of this rumored settlement.Why is that? I think they know that they are misaligned to the will of the peoples they "lead".
Better yet, whatever decisions Spirit Lake and Standing Rock come to are simply self-imposed. They get to live with whatever they choose. Good for them: I hope they enjoy being the center of the firestorm for a while.
UND will go on either way, with or without them. Stronger.
I am sure enrollment of Indian students will decline because many of them choose UND because the name, now without the name i can see Indian programs cut back or cut out, and they should until they pay the same tuition as other students no free rides because of race. UND is not on the rez they don't have the name why should we cuddle to N.A. rather than the rest of the students. If UND was hostile and abusive wait til the change happends. I am afraid people are going to resent native americans both on the campus and at the reservations.
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I say people should protest at every game or function UND hosts for the nickname if it was to be changed. People protest against the name why not we protest for the name. That makes for a news story.
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Why not we get permisson from one of the Chippewa tribes of ND and or Minn. then change the name to the Chippewas, and keep the logo....just a thought. I do know the Turtle Mountain Band of Chippewas are for the Sioux nickname.
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Maybe the will say the Sioux can retain the nickname and logo as long as the "documents' stay sealed. Cause i think the NCAA is doing something to incriminate themselves and public opinion would be at an uproar if something got out. NCAA should have thought twice about trying to screw over a school with "balls" to stand up to them. Long live Fighting SIOUX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Its the REA and the whole nick name thing, possibly Ralph's caviler attitude towards the P.C. crowd. I would be willing to bet this is fueling Brand's hatred towards UND.
Maybe Brand was not allowed season tickets to UND hockey!!
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We did... in 1993, remember Thunder the Bleacher Creature.
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Jahnke wrote, in a three-page memo denying the motion, the two sides had appeared to be close to resolving their differences following a July 13 meeting.
"However, between July 13 and August 19, a number of media articles appeared, both in North Dakota and elsewhere, which continued to focus upon divisiveness of the litigation, both on the UND campus and within the Native American communities," Jahnke said.
"The net result of the continuing regurgitation of this divisiveness was that just days before Aug. 19, one of the parties withdrew from its earlier indication to settle."
What does anyone think the terms of the "settlement" that was abandoned by one party were? I read it as the NCAA agreed to some sort of deal where UND keeps the name/logo and the NCAA saves some face but then the PC powers that be lobbied the NCAA to abandon whatever agreement was reached after understanding the terms. Further, I think the "divisiveness" part of Jahnke's remarks indicates that the PC powers believe that holding onto the name, as per the proposed "settlement," would case further "division" on campus. Therefore, "for the good of the university," whatever agreement needed to be "scuttled." Since the NCAA wanted the records sealed, one can only conclude that it was the party that withdrew from the "settlement" talks. Maybe UND is saying "allow the status quo and never bother us again or, if this goes to trial, all of your dirty laundry will be publicly known." Maybe the NCAA has agreed to this but the PC powers don't like it?
Some of this sort of stuff has been discussed previously on this site by many of you. I am just wondering what you think this latest language from the bench really indicates. I too don't like all of the NCAA-style secrecy business.
Sounds like the NCAA was about to settle but something made them change their mind which i agree with you, it sounds like the PC Police had talked the NCAA into pulling away from the decision. This whole thing is just a mess, i mean what the hell did UND do to the NCAA. We are a quiet college very low key no violations no sanctions against us I mean leave us alone.
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I was listening to the game on the radio and it sounded like the fog game between the Eagles and Bears long ago. Why did they allow the game to be played in such horrible conditions I think the game should have been moved to the Boston Garden or where ever the Bruins play. Its not fair that we get a stinking tie out of a 2 period foggy game. Both teams thought the game was horrible and they should have a make-up game. If i was UND i would only schedule BC if its at a neutral site or at the Ralph. The NCAA should be ashamed of themselves to allow a game to be played in those conditions. Think of the injuries that could have occured, especially if the goalies couldn't see across the rink.
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He don't matter to me any. Espcially trying to help a man who killed 2 FBI agents, they should have thrown him (Bellecourt) in jail and throw away the key.
Plus talking to Hugo Chavez who hates America and called Bush the devil, good place for him to die, Venezuela. I say bury him down there. 
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A whopping 3 -- MN, WI and IA. Besides these, aren't there like hundreds of other colleges that have athletic teams? I thought so but I'm not so sure now given the assertion that "no one will play us." I thought I heard that there were universities in Fargo, Ankeny, IA, Lincoln, NE, Norman, OK, etc. etc. Can someone confirm or deny the rumor?
I don't think Dartmouth will play us in football, remember that stupid remark when they scheduled us in hockey? I would add them to the list, of course we would crush them and any other Ivy League school in football.
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The way the Rams are playing they might as well be called the St. Louis Cardinals.