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I took a few minutes and reviewed the CDC weekly summary (43 pages), https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/pdf/covidview-05-08-2020.pdf, and several Midwestern state's data.
My takeaway is that if you are under 60, and are healthy, the chances of death are as close to zero as you can get. Even just using the confirmed numbers, and not the presumed active cases, the risk of complications is tiny. You might be asymptomatic or you may have an awful flu, but you'll almost certainly be fine.
If you have, in this order of importance: hypertension, obesity, cardiovascular disease, or lung disease, the outcome after contraction is not particularly rosy. If you are elderly and have those conditions you do not want to contract COVID. If you are 95, obese with hypertension and CD, you aren't gonna make it.
More than most health issues, the "at risk" group in this case is VERY clearly defined. If you are at risk and want to live your life and assume the risks, have at it. If not, shelter those folks in place and take all reasonable steps to protect them.
There is zero reason for healthy folks under 60 to be sheltering in place.
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18 minutes ago, dlsiouxfan said:Trump once gain threw a temper tantrum like a giant crybaby... if he isn't up to answering these questions then he should resign. It's part of the job and he needs to grow up and start answering these questions.
And if the "reporter" isn't up to asking an actual question with any relevance to the current situation, or that could possibly lead to any information which is at all helpful in writing an article about the actual news, why are they there in the first place?
"Why do you see global testing as a competition?" - Seriously? That's a mainstream journalist's question for the President?
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56 minutes ago, dlsiouxfan said:
This is what would happen.
I also want to be clear what it is that we're going to punish China for doing. They concealed the presence of the coronavirus and actively tried to suppress the outbreak in Wuhan from international scrutiny and media coverage. I guess how is that different than what you all have been advocating that we do for 235 pages now. Either the disease is horrible and any government that works to conceal it from it's citizens and media is committing an atrocity or it's a nothingburger, in which case who can blame China for how they handled it. It really can't be both.
Disclaimer: Nothing above should be considered a defense of China. China is governed by a murderous, autocratic regime that is carrying out an active genocide against the Uighur people and other ethnic minorities within the country. The U.S. should be taking measures to minimize their influence across the globe and encourage leadership changes within the CCP and a removal of Xi from power but those measures are going to have to be a lot more skillful than launching a nuke or defaulting on our debt. It's going to take statecraft that is completely lacking in this administration.
Prior to Trump, the administrations for the last 30 years were complete wusses in dealing with China. Everyone knew (both Rs and Ds) that China was a problem, and that the trade deals were absolute crap, but nobody had the guts to do anything about it. Love him or hate him, Trump was the first to actually stand up to China and try to change that relationship.
As Yzerman said earlier, China has to be laughing their butt off at our reaction to this.
If China stopped/banned travel from Wuhan to other parts of China, but allowed tens of thousands of folks from Wuhan to travel internationally that's a problem.
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5 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:
Dude they canceled the Brick and the Ivan Hlinka...
While I completely disagree with any of these cancellations, I can at least see, given the hysteria, planning, travel, teams from all over the place, many teams wouldn't go or couldn't go... that those tournaments would be cancelled. Cancelling local events is absolutely nuts. Sign a fricking waiver and gets go.
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1 hour ago, SWSiouxMN said:
There went the NoDak State Fair
https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/6485886-North-Dakota-State-Fair-canceled-due-to-COVID-19
I understand that for all the vendors, etc. it's preferable to not cancel the event the week before the gates open, but this is absolutely crazy. An outdoor event... in July... in ND. I wouldn't have been in attendance, but with more and more events being cancelled that give us something to look forward to, and give us hope, the bleaker this is feeling. I couldn't care less about the State Fair, but that was a punch in the gut for some reason.
If all public events are still cancelled through the time that snow flies in late 2020 us Northern folks are going to be going crazy.
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7 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:
You obviously have no idea what Franklin was talking about. it's not even his full quote.
Hint: it was about taxation. The choice of taxation to raise funds to prevent attacks from the French vs the right of self-governance.
I believe you are correct that the narrow context of the quote was a tax issue. That said the quote, which could and likely would have easily been, was not limited to that tiny area of civil liberty.
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2 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:
And yet we we still haven’t figured out how exactly to protect the population most at risk.
Unfortunately that's life. Flu, stroke, cancer, dementia. Everyone can't be saved. I think the steps being taken in that regard are pretty darn good. There isn't a great answer to protection of folks who are already higher compromised from a health perspective.
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3 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:
6 deaths in one day is encouraging?
That's a lagging indicator, and if the folks were under 90 and healthy it would be a bit more concerning when restarting the economy. Further evidence of the population most at risk and the population which needs the most reasonable protection.
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3 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:
You could always go back if you need to learn some simple math?
The number of positive tests is pretty much irrelevant on its own without context. The percentage of positive tests is much more important and statistically relevant. If you do 100x the tests of the prior day of course the total positives will be higher.
The numbers the last week have been very encouraging in ND.
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3 hours ago, Redneksioux said:
How will kids forced to grow up with one parent or possibly no parent affect their neglect, hunger and abuse?
In North Dakota, from Covid, the total such minor children stands at 0 (unless the 100+ year old had a minor child.)
I'll take the unemployment, alcohol abuse, stress, domestic situations/violence, foreclosure... as the greater concern in that equation.
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8 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:
A quick google search shows 291,557 US lives were lost in WW2. And this spanned over 4 years.
We've lost 75,000 so far to Covid19 with 2,000 daily still dying.
Thankfully it has been mostly elderly with no future ahead of them though eh?
Just read an article on a 29 woman who passed away with/from Covid. Seemed like an absolutely wonderful person. She was beyond morbidly obese, HBP and likely diabetic. May she rest in peace, but at some point we also have to take responsibility for our decisions. In the end, her death will be used to show that this is killing young people...
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46 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:
You can start with size of population.
Add in demographics and elderly population/care facilities. 13 of 35 long term care facilities are in Cass. I don't have the numbers, but the retirement communities have to be at least that percentage, probably more. Just makes sense to have those facilities are located with adequate medical and other services available.
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I saw a pretty telling graph this morning on CNBC. The question was, "What is more important, my families health, or wealth?
February 1, 2020 94% Health - 6% wealth
April 3, 2020 82% Health - 18% wealth
May 3, 2020 66% Health - 34% wealth
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3 hours ago, Gma loves hockey said:
Simple philosophy about whether to wear a mask:
If you don't give a damn about anyone else, don't wear one.
If you care about other people, wear one.
I hate this “zero tolerance” approach to life. Taking this approach takes out the need to handle things on a case by case basis and actually use some critical thinking skills.
if I’m out walking my dog I don’t need a mask. If I’m at a location and I can socially distance a mask isn’t needed and does absolutely nothing. Watch the Cuomo clip on this where he’s advocating using masks, and he is at the desk, adequately distanced from other people, and not wearing a mask.
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15 minutes ago, Old Fella said:
Have you heard of flu shots?
You are aware that flu shots aren't always effective and sometimes they miss strains. So you didn't wear a mask in the past... shocking.
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18 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:
You realize that the facemask requirement at local medical centers and many retailers is fairly new right? If you go to Altru will you refuse to wear a mask? How about Hugo's?
It's their private establishment and their rules. Of course I'd abide by their wishes.
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7 minutes ago, Old Fella said:
Looking at your moniker it appears you are or have been at UND.
Assuming that you for sure know you do not have to be feelling ill to be carrying the virus.
I'm fully aware of being asymptomatic, hence the taking reasonable precautions.
I also assume you are also aware of being asymptomatic and hence have always worn a mask from October to April., unless of course you are a selfish hypocrite.
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17 minutes ago, Old Fella said:
Your decision not to act responsibly when out in public is WRong!
I'm not wearing a mask. If I feel at all ill I'm not going out. While out I practice social distancing and take all precautions to be courteous.
It's funny how I don't recall people wearing masks before from October to April each year.
Have you ever been to a nursing home before Old Fella? If you have, and you weren't wearing a mask, you are completely irresponsible and you may have given someone the flu and killed them.
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4 minutes ago, Old Fella said:
That is wonderful as long as the 1 who gets the virus is not yours.
I understand that there's basically a 100% chance that my kids will get it (if they haven't already). Isn't that a given? If the goal is to stop any child from getting any virus at all cost we are truly screwed.
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15 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:
It’s happened in other places so what makes North Dakota special?
Isn't New York's situation much more "special" than North Dakota's?
What area with a population density and demographic profile similar to ND has been disproportionately hard hit? With the positive cases to date, and the medical results of those positive folks, what leads you to believe ND will turn into NY?
All the testing in the world is not going to eliminate the virus. We're still likely to get it at some point in the next 8 months. In ND we haven't flattened the curve, we've crushed it. Any North Dakotan that gets the virus will get the best medical care we can provide. Nobody is going to be shipped to the Fargodome.
Protect the vulnerable, be smart and let's get back to work
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5 minutes ago, Cratter said:
How many NYC lives could have been saved by encouraging people to get out of those highrise building and get some fresh air and Vitamin D at Central Park?
Hard to say. NYC is obviously a very different situation that almost anyway else in the world. My back of the napkin math indicates a fatality rate of around .5% if the percentages above are accurate. That's around 3 times higher than the typical flu. No doubt a very nasty bug.
Still seems to indicate to me that the folks who are vulnerable should be sheltered in place, other folks carry on while exercising caution and with reasonable precautions.
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10 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:
In ND....32 positive cases today. One death.
If we have 33 cases tomorrow do we reset the "2 weeks"?
Bigger question.....will Doug find these numbers "disappointing"?
He found the number of tests conducted disappointing, not the results of the tests. He wants a larger sample size.
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Cuomo says that 13.9% of New Yorkers have had it based on antibody study. That's statewide. Logic would indicate that NYC would be significantly higher.
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11 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:
So we are learning that the infectious rate is 50-85x higher than advertised.........
I suspect more "getting confirmation" than "learning".
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The post above was from March 6th. What needed to be done was known at that time by anyone with decent critical thinking skills. Unfortunately the second sentence above was not followed. Instead of not getting information from the media and politicians and not panicking, the media has been listened to and caused a colossal panic.